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So where's the incongruity? His Earness finally released it. He's still the worst President since Carter.


>> ^RedSky:

>> ^quantumushroom:
What could it possibly take to convince you that Obama is a citizen?
The 'Long Form' Birth Certificate, which has never been made public. There's your answer.
You liberals and your charges of racism (and name-calling)---a total fking embarrassment. I'm embarrassed this is the extent of your logic and reason, but after being brainwashed in government schools it would be too much to expect more.
If there's one color I hate about Obama, it's communist RED. And once again, were it proven tomorrow The Messiah were Kenyan-born, he wouldn't step down anyway.

quantumushroom 1, meet quantumushroom 2.
>> ^quantumushroom:
Do those who oppose Obama hate him because he's (half) Black? Some do, but the left now likes to proclaim that being upset with corruption and incompetence from anyone but Whites is "racism". This is ridiculous in the extreme.
This latest stunt doesn't help high unemployment, high gas prices or the sinking dollar.
Two more years and Ears can take his long form to the unemployment office.

>> ^quantumushroom:

What could it possibly take to convince you that Obama is a citizen?
The 'Long Form' Birth Certificate, which has never been made public. There's your answer.
You liberals and your charges of racism (and name-calling)---a total fking embarrassment. I'm embarrassed this is the extent of your logic and reason, but after being brainwashed in government schools it would be too much to expect more.
If there's one color I hate about Obama, it's communist RED. And once again, were it proven tomorrow The Messiah were Kenyan-born, he wouldn't step down anyway.


quantumushroom 1, meet quantumushroom 2.

>> ^quantumushroom:

Do those who oppose Obama hate him because he's (half) Black? Some do, but the left now likes to proclaim that being upset with corruption and incompetence from anyone but Whites is "racism". This is ridiculous in the extreme.
This latest stunt doesn't help high unemployment, high gas prices or the sinking dollar.
Two more years and Ears can take his long form to the unemployment office.

ARE YOU SOME KIND OF SOCALIST !

>> ^NetRunner:

>> ^bobknight33:
So is you issue with large corporations ( like GE ) not paying any tax due to loopholes or that their tax bracket is or is not high enough?
My issue is that if people are worried about the US budget, then 100% of the discussion should be about making sure corporations and the wealthy pay a higher percentage of their real income in taxes than the people they hire to mow their lawn or answer their phones, and 0% about cutting aid to the disabled, the poor, children, and the elderly.
If someone demands some cuts in "spending" then I say kill corporate welfare before you touch aid to people who actually need it.

>> ^bobknight33:

So is you issue with large corporations ( like GE ) not paying any tax due to loopholes or that their tax bracket is or is not high enough?

My issue is that if people are worried about the US budget, then 100% of the discussion should be about making sure corporations and the wealthy pay a higher percentage of their real income in taxes than the people they hire to mow their lawn or answer their phones, and 0% about cutting aid to the disabled, the poor, children, and the elderly.

If someone demands some cuts in "spending" then I say kill corporate welfare before you touch aid to people who actually need it.

The thing is people belive in this dumb fuck mith that people with lots of money worked for that money.

they allso belive that fincail succsess is a skilled or something that good people achive , they are totaly ignorent to the fact that the biggest fincail rewards are for people that work out how to best Game the system not people that best contribute to socity.

the perpouse of money in our modern system is to allow for the ruling few to remain in absalut comfort and power , Not as a covenant bartering tool as it was intended.

>> ^peggedbea:

1. the lower income brackets DO pay something. sales tax, excise taxes, property taxes. and disproportionately so. the lower/middle income families spend a greater portion of their monthly incomes on taxable goods and services, where the higher income brackets have a higher rate of savings... they're saving a greater portion of their income, therefore not spending it on taxable goods and services.
states that have no state income tax (like texas) and rely solely on sales, excise and property taxes typically have a regressive taxation system... meaning the bulk of the burden of the state and municipal operating budgets are placed disproportionately on lower/middle income families.
2. i'm a working single mom with 2 kids. i work my ass off. i don't live beyond my means. i take care of my things. if a 15% flat tax rate were implemented guess who'd be (back) on government assistance??? i don't have 15% of my income left over at the end of the month. i typically can put 10-12% of my income back, split between a retirement account and a rainy day fund. a flat tax rate would create more problems than it would solve for the working poor with families to care for. and for 2 years i couldnt even dream of doing that. (i got laid off in 09 and JUST NOW got back to full time work that also pays a living wage)
>> ^bobknight33:
So is you issue with large corporations ( like GE ) not paying any tax due to loopholes or that their tax bracket is or is not high enough?
Would it not make since to cut all loopholes and give a relativity flat tax based on quarterly statements?
I agree with Qm The rich are pitching way more then anyone else. Still they stay filthy rich. But should they pay more? Should not the lower income bracket also pay something? If they would at least pay some tax they would have a better understanding of what is going on with respect to taxes.
Personally I would like a flat tax. I would even say ok to a excessive rate of 23% just to keep politicians from bitching and moaning that the children/ elderly will starve if we go to a flat tax.
Every thing I'm getting at is really for a smaller Government with a Keep it simple stupid mentality.
There is no reason for a person to spend 40 hours in figuring out their federal taxes each year.
And there is no reason for GE to post 14 Billion in profits (would wide) and not pay any taxes in the USA.

>> ^NetRunner:
>> ^quantumushroom:
The "evil rich" pay 38% of all taxes already. The 'bottom' 50% pay less than 2% of taxes yet slurp up plenty of government "services".
Dismissing the moral component for a moment, you could tax the rich at 99% and it wouldn't matter. There isn't enough money to cover a perpetually expanding government and the endless wants of the wish-to-haves.

You didn't define "evil rich", but the bottom 80% only control 15% of the wealth in this country, while the top 1% alone controls over 40% of the wealth.
I'd also disagree on who gets more out of government services. The rich mostly get their payoffs in the form of tax loopholes so they don't show up on lists of "government spending". For example, see how GE got $3.2 billion from the government for filing their taxes this year. That's a hell of a tax credit, and it doesn't show up in anyone's federal budget proposal!

1. the lower income brackets DO pay something. sales tax, excise taxes, property taxes. and disproportionately so. the lower/middle income families spend a greater portion of their monthly incomes on taxable goods and services, where the higher income brackets have a higher rate of savings... they're saving a greater portion of their income, therefore not spending it on taxable goods and services.
states that have no state income tax (like texas) and rely solely on sales, excise and property taxes typically have a regressive taxation system... meaning the bulk of the burden of the state and municipal operating budgets are placed disproportionately on lower/middle income families.

2. i'm a working single mom with 2 kids. i work my ass off. i don't live beyond my means. i take care of my things. if a 15% flat tax rate were implemented guess who'd be (back) on government assistance??? i don't have 15% of my income left over at the end of the month. i typically can put 10-12% of my income back, split between a retirement account and a rainy day fund. and for 2 years i couldnt even dream of doing that. (i got laid off in 09 and JUST NOW got back to full time work that also pays a living wage) a flat tax rate would create more problems than it would solve for the working poor with families to care for.

>> ^bobknight33:

So is you issue with large corporations ( like GE ) not paying any tax due to loopholes or that their tax bracket is or is not high enough?
Would it not make since to cut all loopholes and give a relativity flat tax based on quarterly statements?
I agree with Qm The rich are pitching way more then anyone else. Still they stay filthy rich. But should they pay more? Should not the lower income bracket also pay something? If they would at least pay some tax they would have a better understanding of what is going on with respect to taxes.
Personally I would like a flat tax. I would even say ok to a excessive rate of 23% just to keep politicians from bitching and moaning that the children/ elderly will starve if we go to a flat tax.
Every thing I'm getting at is really for a smaller Government with a Keep it simple stupid mentality.
There is no reason for a person to spend 40 hours in figuring out their federal taxes each year.
And there is no reason for GE to post 14 Billion in profits (would wide) and not pay any taxes in the USA.

>> ^NetRunner:
>> ^quantumushroom:
The "evil rich" pay 38% of all taxes already. The 'bottom' 50% pay less than 2% of taxes yet slurp up plenty of government "services".
Dismissing the moral component for a moment, you could tax the rich at 99% and it wouldn't matter. There isn't enough money to cover a perpetually expanding government and the endless wants of the wish-to-haves.

You didn't define "evil rich", but the bottom 80% only control 15% of the wealth in this country, while the top 1% alone controls over 40% of the wealth.
I'd also disagree on who gets more out of government services. The rich mostly get their payoffs in the form of tax loopholes so they don't show up on lists of "government spending". For example, see how GE got $3.2 billion from the government for filing their taxes this year. That's a hell of a tax credit, and it doesn't show up in anyone's federal budget proposal!

So is you issue with large corporations ( like GE ) not paying any tax due to loopholes or that their tax bracket is or is not high enough?

Would it not make since to cut all loopholes and give a relativity flat tax based on quarterly statements?

I agree with Qm The rich are pitching way more then anyone else. Still they stay filthy rich. But should they pay more? Should not the lower income bracket also pay something? If they would at least pay some tax they would have a better understanding of what is going on with respect to taxes.

Personally I would like a flat tax. I would even say ok to a excessive rate of 23% just to keep politicians from bitching and moaning that the children/ elderly will starve if we go to a flat tax.

Every thing I'm getting at is really for a smaller Government with a Keep it simple stupid mentality.

There is no reason for a person to spend 40 hours in figuring out their federal taxes each year.

And there is no reason for GE to post 14 Billion in profits (would wide) and not pay any taxes in the USA.


>> ^NetRunner:

>> ^quantumushroom:
The "evil rich" pay 38% of all taxes already. The 'bottom' 50% pay less than 2% of taxes yet slurp up plenty of government "services".
Dismissing the moral component for a moment, you could tax the rich at 99% and it wouldn't matter. There isn't enough money to cover a perpetually expanding government and the endless wants of the wish-to-haves.

You didn't define "evil rich", but the bottom 80% only control 15% of the wealth in this country, while the top 1% alone controls over 40% of the wealth.
I'd also disagree on who gets more out of government services. The rich mostly get their payoffs in the form of tax loopholes so they don't show up on lists of "government spending". For example, see how GE got $3.2 billion from the government for filing their taxes this year. That's a hell of a tax credit, and it doesn't show up in anyone's federal budget proposal!

>> ^quantumushroom:

The "evil rich" pay 38% of all taxes already. The 'bottom' 50% pay less than 2% of taxes yet slurp up plenty of government "services".
Dismissing the moral component for a moment, you could tax the rich at 99% and it wouldn't matter. There isn't enough money to cover a perpetually expanding government and the endless wants of the wish-to-haves.


You didn't define "evil rich", but the bottom 80% only control 15% of the wealth in this country, while the top 1% alone controls over 40% of the wealth.

I'd also disagree on who gets more out of government services. The rich mostly get their payoffs in the form of tax loopholes so they don't show up on lists of "government spending". For example, see how GE got $3.2 billion from the government for filing their taxes this year. That's a hell of a tax credit, and it doesn't show up in anyone's federal budget proposal!

>> ^Stormsinger:

I don't see anything even slightly resembling Paul the Lunatic. This guy would appear to be one of those rare (I'm tempted to say mythical) Republicans that understand the concept of facts. He comes across as far more level-headed, reasonable, and knowledgeable than most. Ignoring his positions, his behavior and presentation has far more resemblance to Al Franken than to Ron Paul. And I for one, find it much easier to work with someone who at least knows facts about the subject he's discussing, than to work with someone like Boehner or Inhofe, who wouldn't know a fact if it bit them on the ass.
The real question is how much of this is for appearance, and how much of it is real.


Shuac wasn't referring to Christie.

Hey friend,

Shuac was not referring to Christie being the adult. Shuac was referring to the redaction of my description based on Stormsinger's comments on same.

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>> ^shuac:

>> ^silvercord:
You're right. I redacted the description.
Now this is how an adult admits wrongdoing. Simple and honest instead of combative, inflammatory, and meandering. And I've got more respect for silvercord because of it.
^Douchebag videosifters take note.^


It's not, actually. First, it's ridiculous for him to act like the question wasn't asked in a calm reasonable tone. Second, what actually happened was the result of Christie instructing an appointee of his the exact actions to take during negotiations with teachers unions. They blew up, and as a direct result of that, NJ lost 400million in federal funding.

The appointee was thrown under the bus by Christie, and he acts like he could have done nothing about it. This isn't how an adult admits wrongdoing, it's how a career politician does it.

>> ^shuac:

>> ^silvercord:
You're right. I redacted the description.
Now this is how an adult admits wrongdoing. Simple and honest instead of combative, inflammatory, and meandering. And I've got more respect for silvercord because of it.
^Douchebag videosifters take note.^


It's not, actually. First, it's ridiculous for him to act like the question wasn't asked in a calm reasonable tone. Second, what actually happened was the result of Christie instructing an appointee of his the exact actions to take during negotiations with teachers unions. They blew up, and as a direct result of that, NJ lost 400million in federal funding.

The appointee was thrown under the bus by Christie, and he acts like he could have done nothing about it. This isn't how an adult admits wrongdoing, it's how a career politician does it.

>> ^silvercord:
You're right. I redacted the description.

Now this is how an adult admits wrongdoing. Simple and honest instead of combative, inflammatory, and meandering. And I've got more respect for silvercord because of it.

^Douchebag videosifters take note.^

>> ^Stormsinger:

I don't see anything even slightly resembling Paul the Lunatic. This guy would appear to be one of those rare (I'm tempted to say mythical) Republicans that understand the concept of facts. He comes across as far more level-headed, reasonable, and knowledgeable than most. Ignoring his positions, his behavior and presentation has far more resemblance to Al Franken than to Ron Paul. And I for one, find it much easier to work with someone who at least knows facts about the subject he's discussing, than to work with someone like Boehner or Inhofe, who wouldn't know a fact if it bit them on the ass.
The real question is how much of this is for appearance, and how much of it is real.


You're right. I redacted the description.

this is why we can't have town halls anymore.