The point about global warming is that all the available evidence shows that:
1. It is happening
2. It is man-made.

Why is that a problem? well, because we dont know what the consequences could be, we dont know how to stop the rising temperature or if theres a limit or if or when we can reverse the trend.

All of the above could happen, or it might not, some of it may not be due to GW and some of it may be. The fact is that we are messing with earths ecosystem, which is the very reason we are here in the first place. We grew up and evolved as a species on this planet, under these conditions, how will a rapid(geologically rapid 100-200 years) change in climate affect us as a species? how will it affect millions of other species? How will it affect weather? viruses? diseases? deserts? forests?

We don't know

Thats the point. some of the above are possible consequences of global warming*.

*or some denialist pulled it out of their ass and put it on the web so that other denialists could impress us all with their extensive lists.

>> ^quantumushroom:

Enviro-statist alarmists claim that all of the following have been (or will be) caused by global warming.

Agricultural land increase, Africa devastated, African aid threatened, air pressure changes, Alaska reshaped, allergies increase, Alps melting, Amazon a desert, American dream end, amphibians breeding earlier (or not), ancient forests dramatically changed, Antarctic grass flourishes, anxiety, algal blooms, Arctic bogs melt, Asthma, atmospheric defiance, atmospheric circulation modified, avalanches reduced, avalanches increased, bananas destroyed, bananas grow, better beer, big melt faster, billion dollar research projects, billions of deaths, bird distributions change, birds return early, blackbirds stop singing, blizzards, blue mussels return, boredom, Britain Siberian, British gardens change, bubonic plague, budget increases, building season extension, bushfires, business opportunities, business risks, butterflies move north.
Cardiac arrest, caterpillar biomass shift, challenges and opportunities, Cholera, civil unrest, cloud increase, cloud stripping, cod go south, cold climate creatures survive, cold spells (Australia), computer models, conferences, coral bleaching, coral reefs dying, coral reefs grow, coral reefs shrink , cold spells, cost of trillions, crumbling roads, buildings and sewage systems, cyclones (Australia), damages equivalent to $200 billion, Dengue hemorrhagic fever, dermatitis, desert advance, desert life threatened, desert retreat, destruction of the environment, diarrhoea, disappearance of coastal cities, diseases move north, Dolomites collapse, drought, drowning people, ducks and geese decline, dust bowl in the corn belt.
Early spring, earlier pollen season, Earth biodiversity crisis, Earth dying, Earth even hotter, Earth light dimming, Earth lopsided, Earth melting, Earth morbid fever, Earth on fast track, Earth past point of no return, Earth slowing down, Earth spinning out of control, Earth to explode, earth upside down, Earth wobbling, earthquakes, El NiZo intensification, erosion, emerging infections, encephalitis, Europe simultaneously baking and freezing, evolution accelerating, expansion of university climate groups, extinctions (human, civilisation, logic, Inuit, smallest butterfly, cod, ladybirds, bats, pandas, pikas, polar bears, pigmy possums, gorillas, koalas, walrus, whales, frogs, toads, turtles, orang-utan, elephants, tigers, plants, salmon, trout, wild flowers, woodlice, penguins, a million species, half of all animal and plant species, less, not polar bears), experts muzzled, extreme changes to California.
Famine, farmers go under, figurehead sacked, fish catches drop, fish catches rise, fish stocks decline, five million illnesses, floods, Florida economic decline, food poisoning, food prices rise, food security threat (SA), footpath erosion, forest decline, forest expansion, frosts, fungi invasion, Garden of Eden wilts, genetic diversity decline, gene pools slashed, glacial retreat, glacial growth, glacier wrapped, global cooling, global dimming, glowing clouds, Gore omnipresence, grandstanding, grasslands wetter, Great Barrier Reef 95% dead, Great Lakes drop, greening of the North, Gulf Stream failure, habitat loss, Hantavirus pulmonary syndrome, harvest increase, harvest shrinkage, hay fever epidemic, hazardous waste sites breached, heat waves, hibernation ends too soon, hibernation ends too late, high court debates, human fertility reduced, human health improvement, human health risk, hurricanes, hydropower problems, hyperthermia deaths.
Ice sheet growth, ice sheet shrinkage, inclement weather, infrastructure failure (Canada), Inuit displacement, Inuit poisoned, Inuit suing, industry threatened, infectious diseases, insurance premium rises, invasion of midges, island disappears, islands sinking, itchier poison ivy, jellyfish explosion, Kew Gardens taxed, krill decline, lake and stream productivity decline, landslides, landslides of ice at 140 mph, lawsuits increase, lawsuit successful, lawyers’ income increased (surprise, surprise!), lightning related insurance claims, little response in the atmosphere, Lyme disease.
Malaria, malnutrition, Maple syrup shortage, marine diseases, marine food chain decimated, marine dead zone, Meaching (end of the world), megacryometeors, Melanoma, methane emissions from plants, methane burps, melting permafrost, Middle Kingdom convulses, migration, migration difficult (birds), microbes to decompose soil carbon more rapidly, more bad air days, more research needed, mountain (Everest) shrinking, mountains break up, mountains taller, mudslides, next ice age, Nile delta damaged, no effect in India, nuclear plants bloom, oaks move north, ocean acidification, outdoor hockey threatened, oyster diseases, ozone loss, ozone repair slowed, ozone rise.
Pacific dead zone, personal carbon rationing, pest outbreaks, pests increase, phenology shifts, plankton blooms, plankton destabilised, plankton loss, plant viruses, plants march north, polar bears aggressive, polar bears cannibalistic, polar bears drowning, polar bears starve, polar tours scrapped, psychosocial disturbances, railroad tracks deformed, rainfall increase, rainfall reduction, refugees, reindeer larger, release of ancient frozen viruses, resorts disappear, rice yields crash, rift on Capitol Hill, rioting and nuclear war, rivers raised, rivers dry up, rockfalls, rocky peaks crack apart, roof of the world a desert, Ross river disease.
Salinity reduction, salinity increase, Salmonella, salmon stronger, sea level rise, sea level rise faster, sex change, sharks booming, shrinking ponds, ski resorts threatened, slow death, smog, snowfall increase, snowfall reduction, societal collapse, songbirds change eating habits, sour grapes, spiders invade Scotland, squid population explosion, squirrels reproduce earlier, spectacular orchids, stormwater drains stressed.
Taxes, tectonic plate movement, terrorism, ticks move northward (Sweden), tides rise, tourism increase, trade winds weakened, tree beetle attacks, tree foliage increase (UK), tree growth slowed, trees could return to Antarctic, trees less colourful, trees more colourful, tropics expansion, tropopause raised, tsunamis, turtles lay earlier, UK Katrina, Venice flooded, volcanic eruptions.
Walrus pups orphaned, war, wars over water, water bills double, water supply unreliability, water scarcity (20% of increase), water stress, weather out of its mind, weather patterns awry, weeds, Western aid cancelled out, West Nile fever, whales move north, wheat yields crushed in Australia, white Christmas dream ends, wildfires, wind shift, wind reduced, wine - harm to Australian industry, wine industry damage (California), wine industry disaster (US), wine - more English, wine -German boon, wine - no more French , winters in Britain colder, wolves eat more moose, wolves eat less, workers laid off, World bankruptcy, World in crisis, Yellow fever.

Enviro-statist alarmists claim that all of the following have been (or will be) caused by global warming.


Agricultural land increase, Africa devastated, African aid threatened, air pressure changes, Alaska reshaped, allergies increase, Alps melting, Amazon a desert, American dream end, amphibians breeding earlier (or not), ancient forests dramatically changed, Antarctic grass flourishes, anxiety, algal blooms, Arctic bogs melt, Asthma, atmospheric defiance, atmospheric circulation modified, avalanches reduced, avalanches increased, bananas destroyed, bananas grow, better beer, big melt faster, billion dollar research projects, billions of deaths, bird distributions change, birds return early, blackbirds stop singing, blizzards, blue mussels return, boredom, Britain Siberian, British gardens change, bubonic plague, budget increases, building season extension, bushfires, business opportunities, business risks, butterflies move north.

Cardiac arrest, caterpillar biomass shift, challenges and opportunities, Cholera, civil unrest, cloud increase, cloud stripping, cod go south, cold climate creatures survive, cold spells (Australia), computer models, conferences, coral bleaching, coral reefs dying, coral reefs grow, coral reefs shrink , cold spells, cost of trillions, crumbling roads, buildings and sewage systems, cyclones (Australia), damages equivalent to $200 billion, Dengue hemorrhagic fever, dermatitis, desert advance, desert life threatened, desert retreat, destruction of the environment, diarrhoea, disappearance of coastal cities, diseases move north, Dolomites collapse, drought, drowning people, ducks and geese decline, dust bowl in the corn belt.

Early spring, earlier pollen season, Earth biodiversity crisis, Earth dying, Earth even hotter, Earth light dimming, Earth lopsided, Earth melting, Earth morbid fever, Earth on fast track, Earth past point of no return, Earth slowing down, Earth spinning out of control, Earth to explode, earth upside down, Earth wobbling, earthquakes, El NiZo intensification, erosion, emerging infections, encephalitis, Europe simultaneously baking and freezing, evolution accelerating, expansion of university climate groups, extinctions (human, civilisation, logic, Inuit, smallest butterfly, cod, ladybirds, bats, pandas, pikas, polar bears, pigmy possums, gorillas, koalas, walrus, whales, frogs, toads, turtles, orang-utan, elephants, tigers, plants, salmon, trout, wild flowers, woodlice, penguins, a million species, half of all animal and plant species, less, not polar bears), experts muzzled, extreme changes to California.

Famine, farmers go under, figurehead sacked, fish catches drop, fish catches rise, fish stocks decline, five million illnesses, floods, Florida economic decline, food poisoning, food prices rise, food security threat (SA), footpath erosion, forest decline, forest expansion, frosts, fungi invasion, Garden of Eden wilts, genetic diversity decline, gene pools slashed, glacial retreat, glacial growth, glacier wrapped, global cooling, global dimming, glowing clouds, Gore omnipresence, grandstanding, grasslands wetter, Great Barrier Reef 95% dead, Great Lakes drop, greening of the North, Gulf Stream failure, habitat loss, Hantavirus pulmonary syndrome, harvest increase, harvest shrinkage, hay fever epidemic, hazardous waste sites breached, heat waves, hibernation ends too soon, hibernation ends too late, high court debates, human fertility reduced, human health improvement, human health risk, hurricanes, hydropower problems, hyperthermia deaths.

Ice sheet growth, ice sheet shrinkage, inclement weather, infrastructure failure (Canada), Inuit displacement, Inuit poisoned, Inuit suing, industry threatened, infectious diseases, insurance premium rises, invasion of midges, island disappears, islands sinking, itchier poison ivy, jellyfish explosion, Kew Gardens taxed, krill decline, lake and stream productivity decline, landslides, landslides of ice at 140 mph, lawsuits increase, lawsuit successful, lawyers’ income increased (surprise, surprise!), lightning related insurance claims, little response in the atmosphere, Lyme disease.

Malaria, malnutrition, Maple syrup shortage, marine diseases, marine food chain decimated, marine dead zone, Meaching (end of the world), megacryometeors, Melanoma, methane emissions from plants, methane burps, melting permafrost, Middle Kingdom convulses, migration, migration difficult (birds), microbes to decompose soil carbon more rapidly, more bad air days, more research needed, mountain (Everest) shrinking, mountains break up, mountains taller, mudslides, next ice age, Nile delta damaged, no effect in India, nuclear plants bloom, oaks move north, ocean acidification, outdoor hockey threatened, oyster diseases, ozone loss, ozone repair slowed, ozone rise.

Pacific dead zone, personal carbon rationing, pest outbreaks, pests increase, phenology shifts, plankton blooms, plankton destabilised, plankton loss, plant viruses, plants march north, polar bears aggressive, polar bears cannibalistic, polar bears drowning, polar bears starve, polar tours scrapped, psychosocial disturbances, railroad tracks deformed, rainfall increase, rainfall reduction, refugees, reindeer larger, release of ancient frozen viruses, resorts disappear, rice yields crash, rift on Capitol Hill, rioting and nuclear war, rivers raised, rivers dry up, rockfalls, rocky peaks crack apart, roof of the world a desert, Ross river disease.

Salinity reduction, salinity increase, Salmonella, salmon stronger, sea level rise, sea level rise faster, sex change, sharks booming, shrinking ponds, ski resorts threatened, slow death, smog, snowfall increase, snowfall reduction, societal collapse, songbirds change eating habits, sour grapes, spiders invade Scotland, squid population explosion, squirrels reproduce earlier, spectacular orchids, stormwater drains stressed.

Taxes, tectonic plate movement, terrorism, ticks move northward (Sweden), tides rise, tourism increase, trade winds weakened, tree beetle attacks, tree foliage increase (UK), tree growth slowed, trees could return to Antarctic, trees less colourful, trees more colourful, tropics expansion, tropopause raised, tsunamis, turtles lay earlier, UK Katrina, Venice flooded, volcanic eruptions.

Walrus pups orphaned, war, wars over water, water bills double, water supply unreliability, water scarcity (20% of increase), water stress, weather out of its mind, weather patterns awry, weeds, Western aid cancelled out, West Nile fever, whales move north, wheat yields crushed in Australia, white Christmas dream ends, wildfires, wind shift, wind reduced, wine - harm to Australian industry, wine industry damage (California), wine industry disaster (US), wine - more English, wine -German boon, wine - no more French , winters in Britain colder, wolves eat more moose, wolves eat less, workers laid off, World bankruptcy, World in crisis, Yellow fever.

>> ^Xax:

>> ^AdrianBlack:
I think this is the first time QI didn't make me laugh at all.

Having that dullard with the dreads doesn't help... I don't understand why he was ever invited onto that show.


Ahhh Ross Noble and his psychedelic comedy, it's really not for everyone including me

@NetRunner,

Pro Tip #1: Know your law: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00001960----000-.html

Pro Tip #2: [hint: starts at 2:30]

I've seen Chaka Khan live before...truth be told her opening act was way better. Ledisi...look her up.>> ^BoneRemake:

are you listening to Diana Ross and putting on lipstick ?
how aboot some Chaka

are you listening to Diana Ross and putting on lipstick ?

how aboot some Chaka

>> ^dannym3141:

>> ^Deano:
>> ^dannym3141:
>> ^Deano:
I've tried to avoid watching it as anything on ITV1 is a pile of tosh. Here instead of seeing Penn and Teller perform they judge magic and variety acts?? - <headslap>.
Granted this guy was entertaining but the crux of the show is handled with them looking at a piece of paper to decide if they were fooled? More than lame.

So let me get this straight, you've avoided watching it intentionally because you think it's crap. You watch one clip, decide that the whole show is exactly like that one clip, and confirm your suspicions that the show is crap.
Dude.
Anyway, the show is good, and i normally hate crap like this.

Because just watching one clip for a show like this is probably enough to generalise. This is fucking ITV, not some BBC4 documentary about Goya for cripes sake.
You see ITV1 has a track record of commissioning and broadcasting low grade material. Yet their prime-time major Saturday night hits e.g X-Factor, BGT are obviously way more popular and draw decent audiences. Their current line-up is inferior and has generally been slated. They've even got a UK version of The Marriage Ref. I've not seen that either but I'm happy to believe it's utter shite as well.
Ross looks uncomfortable here, with rather strange facial furniture, and I don't blame him. This job is dangerously reminiscent of what Angus Deayton used to do post-HIGNFY.
I recall P&T back in the day when they had a show and it was great. This derivative talent show is not.

?!?! Does that change anything re: my criticism?
As long as you think ITV comes out with shit and avoid watching everything on ITV because you think everything is shit, you'll always think everything on ITV will be shit including this show which isn't bad.
What do i care, watch what you want! You think it's crap, you haven't seen it, fine, it's crap.
Btw, i think the reason ross did this was because penn and teller have a huge international following, he's not stupid. Except when it comes to facial hair.


Fucks sake Danny, stop getting so upset. It's just a tv show. Glad you agree about the hair.

>> ^Deano:

>> ^dannym3141:
>> ^Deano:
I've tried to avoid watching it as anything on ITV1 is a pile of tosh. Here instead of seeing Penn and Teller perform they judge magic and variety acts?? - <headslap>.
Granted this guy was entertaining but the crux of the show is handled with them looking at a piece of paper to decide if they were fooled? More than lame.

So let me get this straight, you've avoided watching it intentionally because you think it's crap. You watch one clip, decide that the whole show is exactly like that one clip, and confirm your suspicions that the show is crap.
Dude.
Anyway, the show is good, and i normally hate crap like this.

Because just watching one clip for a show like this is probably enough to generalise. This is fucking ITV, not some BBC4 documentary about Goya for cripes sake.
You see ITV1 has a track record of commissioning and broadcasting low grade material. Yet their prime-time major Saturday night hits e.g X-Factor, BGT are obviously way more popular and draw decent audiences. Their current line-up is inferior and has generally been slated. They've even got a UK version of The Marriage Ref. I've not seen that either but I'm happy to believe it's utter shite as well.
Ross looks uncomfortable here, with rather strange facial furniture, and I don't blame him. This job is dangerously reminiscent of what Angus Deayton used to do post-HIGNFY.
I recall P&T back in the day when they had a show and it was great. This derivative talent show is not.


?!?! Does that change anything re: my criticism?

As long as you think ITV comes out with shit and avoid watching everything on ITV because you think everything is shit, you'll always think everything on ITV will be shit including this show which isn't bad.

What do i care, watch what you want! You think it's crap, you haven't seen it, fine, it's crap.

Btw, i think the reason ross did this was because penn and teller have a huge international following, he's not stupid. Except when it comes to facial hair.

>> ^dannym3141:

>> ^Deano:
I've tried to avoid watching it as anything on ITV1 is a pile of tosh. Here instead of seeing Penn and Teller perform they judge magic and variety acts?? - <headslap>.
Granted this guy was entertaining but the crux of the show is handled with them looking at a piece of paper to decide if they were fooled? More than lame.

So let me get this straight, you've avoided watching it intentionally because you think it's crap. You watch one clip, decide that the whole show is exactly like that one clip, and confirm your suspicions that the show is crap.
Dude.
Anyway, the show is good, and i normally hate crap like this.


Because just watching one clip for a show like this is probably enough to generalise. This is fucking ITV, not some BBC4 documentary about Goya for cripes sake.

You see ITV1 has a track record of commissioning and broadcasting low grade material. Yet their prime-time major Saturday night hits e.g X-Factor, BGT are obviously way more popular and draw decent audiences. Their current line-up is inferior and has generally been slated. They've even got a UK version of The Marriage Ref. I've not seen that either but I'm happy to believe it's utter shite as well.

Ross looks uncomfortable here, with rather strange facial furniture, and I don't blame him. This job is dangerously reminiscent of what Angus Deayton used to do post-HIGNFY.

I recall P&T back in the day when they had a show and it was great. This derivative talent show is not.

>> ^possom:

Thanks Shepppard. BTW, is there a VS tf2 server?


I don't think we have a server but we DO have a Steam group.

-Ross Angeles, Soldier.

Thanks for the tip

In reply to this comment by eric3579:
This works quite well for chopping a video.

In reply to this comment by campionidelmondo:
whoops, fixed the dead embed. Tried to make the video start at a specific time but doesn't work?!

Will check'em out.

In reply to this comment by campionidelmondo:
Maybe you've just watched the wrong movies. He tends to get typecast alot, but he's a decent actor.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0181984/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0419749/

In reply to this comment by NinjaInHeat:
I'll be honest I went into this with every intention of hating the guy before he even opened his mouth, it's nice to be surprised, he seems really cool, too bad he can't act for shit.

Maybe you've just watched the wrong movies. He tends to get typecast alot, but he's a decent actor.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0181984/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0419749/

In reply to this comment by NinjaInHeat:
I'll be honest I went into this with every intention of hating the guy before he even opened his mouth, it's nice to be surprised, he seems really cool, too bad he can't act for shit.

This works quite well for chopping a video.

In reply to this comment by campionidelmondo:
whoops, fixed the dead embed. Tried to make the video start at a specific time but doesn't work?!

Ooops, thanks. Fixed it now

In reply to this comment by eric3579:
It's dead

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*promote