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nkfist:

"much more easily than say, getting rid of 100% of the bad cops without some kind of telepathic superpowers or magically preventing 100% of the crimes that lead to victims sueing the police"
Exactly my point about breaking a few eggs to make your big government omelet. Statists may dislike the atrocities of government, but they see it as a necessary casualty. Every day we see cops doing downright untoward and malicious things to people, even murdering them, yet the system keeps right on going. Never does a statist say, "Shit, maybe this whole police state thing isn't panning out as expected."
It's always, "there are some good cops out there too." It's senseless Stockholm Syndrome battered wife apologies.
I love Watchmen because of this very notion. Tangent alert. Nite Owl II is your typical effete modern liberal and a sensitive intellectual. He believes violence is necessary to correct the social injustices, but believe it should be just. That doesn't stop him from continuing to work with people like the Comedian and Rorschach who use violence with a great deal less restraint. In fact, he enjoys Rorschach as a partner and accepts his overzealous violence. He may not condone it himself, but he sees it as a necessary evil. Breaking a few eggs to make an omelet.


You're not even making sense. No one said it's OK to have a few bad cops. They should be fired wherever they're found. But you can't catch all of them. You can't get rid of 100% of the bad cops without getting rid of 100% of cops in general, and if you did, there'd be a hell of a lot more violence. If men were angels, there would be no need for government, but they aren't. Anarchy = prehistoric tribal warfare, mob justice, etc.

"much more easily than say, getting rid of 100% of the bad cops without some kind of telepathic superpowers or magically preventing 100% of the crimes that lead to victims sueing the police"

Exactly my point about breaking a few eggs to make your big government omelet. Statists may dislike the atrocities of government, but they see it as a necessary casualty. Every day we see cops doing downright untoward and malicious things to people, even murdering them, yet the system keeps right on going. Never does a statist say, "Shit, maybe this whole police state thing isn't panning out as expected."

It's always, "there are some good cops out there too." It's senseless Stockholm Syndrome battered wife apologies.

I love Watchmen because of this very notion. Tangent alert. Nite Owl II is your typical effete modern liberal and a sensitive intellectual. He believes violence is necessary to correct the social injustices, but believe it should be just. That doesn't stop him from continuing to work with people like the Comedian and Rorschach who use violence with a great deal less restraint. In fact, he enjoys Rorschach as a partner and accepts his overzealous violence. He may not condone it himself, but he sees it as a necessary evil. Breaking a few eggs to make an omelet.

nice comment buddy!

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Heh clicked through now to look for some more stuff like this, and found a lengthy description.

"This is a half-scale, all CG simulation of the 'elevator of blood' from The Shining that I did just for amusement in spare hours. I never expected it to look exactly like the real thing. The RealFlow fluid sim uses only about 1.6 million particles and therefore appears thicker and 'blobbyer' than an actual water-like liquid at this scale. I think at least ten million particles would begin to look convincing, but since this took about a month to calculate and render on on I-7, 3.2gh quad core, it isnt practical to attempt more particles without a far more powerful and prohibitively expensive computer.

I rendered, and modeled the hallway and furniture in Lightwave 9.6. Post processing was applied in Fusion 6.

In my work as a CG artist, I am often expected to integrate CG into photographic plates without any practical information from set such as what lens was used, the camera height and inclination, or the location and type of lights used. I have become rather proficient at 'eyeballing' these things. To come up with the dimensions of the set, I studied each shot in The Shining of the various hallways and fixtures. I settled on a 50mm lens, and my guess is that it was a half scale miniature since Kubrick was a perfectionist and smaller scale liquids look progressively less realistic and blobby (it is also more RealFlow friendly). The angles of the wall panels and lines on the floor indicated that the camera is not centered but was placed a few feet to the right and panned left to appear centered. Most viewers do not notice there are actually 3 different angles of this scene shown in the movie. This leads me to suspect there may have been another camera centered on the miniature set but the footage was not used.

I arrived at the 140fps frame speed by using Fusion to speed up the slow motion shot from the film until it appeared to move at a realistic speed which was x6. Six times 24fps is 140. To save time, I began RealFlow simulations at 24fps. When I sped up the resulting render x6, the CG blood turned out to hit the walls and run out of frame on close to the same frames as in the real shot, so this affirmed the rate of 140fps and the dimensions of the set as being somewhat accurate. When they shot the miniature scene, the actual event would have taken place in about four seconds.

The overhead render was an afterthought where some flaws are more apparent.

I started thinking about rendering this after viewing a YT video titled 'THE SHINING - SOMETHING IN THE RIVER OF BLOOD' where the author presents a lengthy assertion that there are some obscure shapes viewable within the blood near the elevator that Kubrick intended as a sublminal representation of a corpse or something suggesting 'Tony' inside Danny's mouth. The seemingly mysterious shapes present a Rorschach image for commentors' to offer up a myriad of odd things they believe 'it' to be. It was apparent to me that the shapes are merely reflections of the set and I emailed a simple CG still to the author demonstrating that fact but he defends the presence of mysterious objects.

I thought it would be interesting to see what ReaFlow might do, and was surprised to find that no one else had attempted a Shining-blood-elevator sim that I could find. Oddly enough, very similar 'shapes' turn up in this CG render as in the movie since they are simply distorted reflections of the elevator door itself and surrounding frame and wall. But people prefer a mystery."

Heh clicked through now to look for some more stuff like this, and found a lengthy description.

"This is a half-scale, all CG simulation of the 'elevator of blood' from The Shining that I did just for amusement in spare hours. I never expected it to look exactly like the real thing. The RealFlow fluid sim uses only about 1.6 million particles and therefore appears thicker and 'blobbyer' than an actual water-like liquid at this scale. I think at least ten million particles would begin to look convincing, but since this took about a month to calculate and render on on I-7, 3.2gh quad core, it isnt practical to attempt more particles without a far more powerful and prohibitively expensive computer.

I rendered, and modeled the hallway and furniture in Lightwave 9.6. Post processing was applied in Fusion 6.

In my work as a CG artist, I am often expected to integrate CG into photographic plates without any practical information from set such as what lens was used, the camera height and inclination, or the location and type of lights used. I have become rather proficient at 'eyeballing' these things. To come up with the dimensions of the set, I studied each shot in The Shining of the various hallways and fixtures. I settled on a 50mm lens, and my guess is that it was a half scale miniature since Kubrick was a perfectionist and smaller scale liquids look progressively less realistic and blobby (it is also more RealFlow friendly). The angles of the wall panels and lines on the floor indicated that the camera is not centered but was placed a few feet to the right and panned left to appear centered. Most viewers do not notice there are actually 3 different angles of this scene shown in the movie. This leads me to suspect there may have been another camera centered on the miniature set but the footage was not used.

I arrived at the 140fps frame speed by using Fusion to speed up the slow motion shot from the film until it appeared to move at a realistic speed which was x6. Six times 24fps is 140. To save time, I began RealFlow simulations at 24fps. When I sped up the resulting render x6, the CG blood turned out to hit the walls and run out of frame on close to the same frames as in the real shot, so this affirmed the rate of 140fps and the dimensions of the set as being somewhat accurate. When they shot the miniature scene, the actual event would have taken place in about four seconds.

The overhead render was an afterthought where some flaws are more apparent.

I started thinking about rendering this after viewing a YT video titled 'THE SHINING - SOMETHING IN THE RIVER OF BLOOD' where the author presents a lengthy assertion that there are some obscure shapes viewable within the blood near the elevator that Kubrick intended as a sublminal representation of a corpse or something suggesting 'Tony' inside Danny's mouth. The seemingly mysterious shapes present a Rorschach image for commentors' to offer up a myriad of odd things they believe 'it' to be. It was apparent to me that the shapes are merely reflections of the set and I emailed a simple CG still to the author demonstrating that fact but he defends the presence of mysterious objects.

I thought it would be interesting to see what ReaFlow might do, and was surprised to find that no one else had attempted a Shining-blood-elevator sim that I could find. Oddly enough, very similar 'shapes' turn up in this CG render as in the movie since they are simply distorted reflections of the elevator door itself and surrounding frame and wall. But people prefer a mystery."

Tags for this video have been changed from 'Rorschach, back story, morality, justice, Nietzsche, Alan Moore' to 'Rorschach, back story, morality, justice, Nietzsche, Alan Moore, cold war' - edited by calvados

^ This is what I did. Chapter 6 dealing with Rorschach was definitely the stand out of the graphic novel, far more fleshed out than the portrayal in the movie, although understandably it had to make compromises as his background isn't exactly all that pertinent to the main plot.

They really should have made this in a mini-series and followed the novel more or less to the page. Taking in the entirety of the novel in one sitting, let alone by an audience used to simple blockbuster superhero movies like Spiderman and Iron Man was never a good idea.

Found it, can't embed it unfortunately:

http://www.animefreak.tv/watch/watchmen-motion-comics-chapter-6-english-dubbed-online-free#English

Scrap that, I've sifted it:

http://videosift.com/video/Watchmen-Motion-Comic-Chapter-6-1

>> ^NinjaInHeat:

I haven't watched the movie yet as I promised myself I'd read the novel first, which I'm doing right now. Anyways, Rorschach is definitely one of the more memorable characters I've ever seen, if you enjoyed his film adaptation you should definitely grab the graphic novel.
you should also get Watchmen - Motion Comic 1-12, it's the comic book, animated and voiced by the movie actors. very interesting experience.

I was impressed at how like the comic (err... novel) Jackie Earle Haley, who played Rorschach / Walter Kovaks, looked in the film. Having read the comic (err... novel) first, I couldn't quite work out how he'd look in real life.

Your video, the watchmen-rorschachs journal october 16th, has made it into the Top 15 New Videos listing. Congratulations on your achievement. For your contribution you have been awarded 1 Power Point.

Someone should do Rorschach's Journal versions of the regular news kinda like those god-awful Autotune The News bits only without all the god-awfulness.

I haven't watched the movie yet as I promised myself I'd read the novel first, which I'm doing right now. Anyways, Rorschach is definitely one of the more memorable characters I've ever seen, if you enjoyed his film adaptation you should definitely grab the graphic novel.

and to lend creedence to non-conspiratorial domain concerning the "yes or no" of vaccines??...Fuck monsanto, dow chemicals, and a fear-driven Rorschach of a comment....talk about yer conspiracies....i breath air and procreate-YOU DONE THAT LATELY!??

vaccines are for the developmentally disabled...eat well, breath unpolluted air, and join the past from yer family tree the world of survival of he fucking fittest......otherwise...give yer kids all the shots they tell ya, no worse off for the wear you'll be because of whatever decision you decide to go with....NOT HAVING ALLL THE INFORMATION...ya dumb motherfucklers who are not you!

(how's that for no ad-hom regarding people who shit on my posts, dagmar?)

Thank you sir, the sentiment is appreciated. I'm also Rorschach in the Watchmen, the V in for Vendetta, and Jules motherfucking Winnfield from Pulp Fiction!

...and about 6 Tim Roth characters!

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thinking of you sweetie!
http://www.videosift.com/video/THE-LIBERTINE-opening-scene-with-Johnny-Depp

Excellent playing, but not enough rorschach sfx.

I appreciate the compliment.
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^Rorschach.