Wow. The universe just loves to crush your conspiracy theories….today in Jan 6 evidence releases (internal texts) we learned that Trump’s claim that he tried to call up 10000 national guard troops that Nancy refused was actually referencing an internal whitehouse conversation where he was talked out of calling in 10000 national guard troops to protect him and the rioters from the police and liberals as they marched on the capitol, after which the secretary of defense went so far as to write letters to the national guard and military ordering that any troops deployed could absolutely not be armed, not have helmets, body armor, or any riot control gear, and could only act in self defense …sent out of the justified fear that Trump and his insurrectionist allies would use them anyway….something they did try to do even after the idea had been quashed in the whitehouse but the SOD wouldn’t answer their calls.

If that’s not evidence of knowledge and forethought, we have different definitions of the words.

Jesus, well that sound they make at the end is terrifying. Probably be great for "riot control."

Step two is presumably to get a hand-grenade's worth of explosives on each one and then be able to remotely assign them individual targets. Maybe just use facial recognition.

I surrender.

It is quite ironic and tragic that 1989 protests delayed political reforms indefinitely. The failure to negotiate with protesters peacefully in the first 5 weeks was an excuse to remove the moderate elements of the communist party from power, putting a halt to any hope of political reform following the then recent economic reforms.

I wonder what these protesters think now, knowing that their noble but misguided efforts ended up doing more harm than good in the long run. All they accomplished was to remind the government to invest in non-lethal weapons and riot control training.

Russia for the last 8 years has benefited from America's war on terrorism, with high fluctuating oil prices and the stranglehold of gas supplies to Europe from central Asian states. Most of the economic growth was also from the maturation of many reforms passed under Yeltsin. Putin's strong stance against Chechnya and dismantling of oligarchy wins favour with the Russian public. Anything is possible for the people of Russia as long as they do not think of becoming involved politically against the Putin's KGB cadre.

However with the economy now entering recession people's lives will be affected, Putin froze the prices before elections earlier in the year, dissent would rise as the illusion of economic growth now fades and change is pushed for. The Kremlin will come down hard on anybody who will start to resist. This is the reality of State Managed Democracy in Russia.

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The Rise of Pro-Putin Youth
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Why Democracy: Russia's Village of Fools
ex-KGB spy speaking against Putin shortly before his death
Real News: Eric Margolis comments on Putin and Russia's Duma
Russians back Putin, Russian Elections deemed a 'farce'
Suppression of Opposition Groups in Russia
Putin's Message to the West
Death of a Nation: Russia in 2006 by Marcel Theroux
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Panorama - The poisoning of Litvinenko
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DEC 14 2008 MOSCOW— The Russian police detained dozens of antigovernment protesters attempting to hold an unsanctioned rally in Moscow on Sunday.

Police officers and armored riot control personnel prevented the planned protest in central Moscow from materializing, in the latest sign that public expression of dissent against the authorities would not be tolerated under President Dmitri A. Medvedev any more than it had been under his predecessor, Vladimir V. Putin.

As many as 100 people were detained, including Eduard Limonov, the head of the banned National Bolshevik Party, said a spokeswoman for Other Russia, a coalition of opposition groups led by Mr. Limonov and the former chess champion Garry Kasparov, among others. The police said that about 10 people were detained during a similar protest in St. Petersburg, Interfax reported.
The Moscow demonstration was meant as a protest of the Kremlin’s handling of the financial crisis and its plans to change the Constitution to extend presidential and parliamentary term limits. Government critics say such a move could be used to extend the authority of Mr. Putin, who is now prime minister, and possibly lead to his early return to the presidency.

Mr. Putin, while he has said Mr. Medvedev will remain president until his term ends in 2012, has not ruled out running for a third term after that.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/15/world/europe/15russia.html?_r=1

>> ^garmachi:
>> ^Sagemind:
They could have walked around her.


Except that in doing so, they would have made themselves more vulnerable. Don't you know anything about riot control formations? Oh, wait. I guess not.
Does anyone here?

::raises hand::

Oh yeah! I do!

By swerving around her, they would have created a ripple throughout formation, causing breaks in their defensive lines. Granted, they don't have their shields here, but it's still ingrained in them to follow procedure.

Oh, well yeah. I hold no doubts that the woman was overreacting. The pain ceases INSTANTLY as soon as the charge stops. There's absolutely no reason to be screaming like that.

Charliem:
You're wrong. Voltage has nothing to do with plays only a small part in killing someone. Ever touch a live wire in your house? Hurts like a bitch, huh? That's only 120V (for America, 240 elsewhere). A taser on the other hand, sends out 50,000 volts. You could get hit with a million volts and not die if the amperage is not there. It also depends on what you're resistance is to electrical charge. Of course this lowers when you get wet. The Taser simply does not have the amperage necessary to kill you "instantly."

Furthermore, it does not have "two settings." The only thing the user can change is the duration of the shock. It does have two functions, however. Either use the cartridge and shoot from up to 15ft, or take off the cartridge and use it by direct contact.

Look, I'm not talking out of my ass here. I've been trained in riot control and the implementation of less-than-lethal and non-lethal weapons technologies.

If you want to know more, go the the manufacturer's site at http://www.taser.org/m18.html

Ummm... close, but no. The Posse Comitatus Act is a law signed in the late 1800's and is not included in the Constitution. There are also no specific guidlines governing the use of the military in disaster scenarios in the Constitution. Here is the current wording:

"Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both."
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/1385.html

Posse Comitatus means the power (or force) of the country. This refers to raising a militia. It was originally written to stop the government from grabbing able bodied citizens and forcing them into service, or a posse, for the purpose riot control, keeping the peace, arresting criminals, etc. This was part of English common law at the time. Prior to 1878 when the law was originally signed, it was a regular occurance to see the US Army enforcing law. The law was later amended to prohibit the US Army and Air Force from being used to execute law, but it's original purpose was to prevent local governments from forming a posse, or taking control of the military for purposes of law enforcement. Although it can be overridden in situations expressly authorized by the Constitution, or when authorized by Congress. This has happened many times before in the past in the case of disaster relief. For example, in the 1930's the Army Corp of Engineers performed disaster relief operations and aided communities in preventing and repairing flood damage.
http://www.lrp.usace.army.mil/pm/johnlfpp.htm

I'm still trying to find out more information on exactly how this whole dwell-time mission thing began and who is authorizing what. As of now, the article only references training in case they are called up for support. If it is approved by Congress, then they are legally allowed to deploy. Since this has happened in the past without incident, it is reasonable to assume it could happen again. Going on what I know from talking to the unit, they were ready to deploy for Ike, but were never called. I can only assume this means that since Congress didn't say they should go, they didn't go. It would be illegal if they just started deploying without approval since the changes were repealed from the Insurrection Act in January of 2008. I'm not exactly too happy with the idea myself, but I'm not seeing this as the doomsday scenario other people seem to be visualizing. It looks more like a response to continued reports and complaints about Federal shortcomings in aid during recent natural disasters.

http://www.history.navy.mil/library/online/posse%20comit.htm
http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/cc/baker1.html

>> ^MarineGunrock:
I'm trained in riot control and am well versed in formations and tactics. He didn't much look like a riot control officer to me.
No, pepper spray is not brutal, and no, not all cops use their batons to push people away. Watch the video again. The cop did not pull anyone to the ground or drag them. The only reason he was on the ground ever is because he was assaulted.


Umm, pretty obviously dragging a guy for the first half of the video.

>> ^MarineGunrock:
I'm trained in riot control and am well versed in formations and tactics.


Still a pussy.

I'm trained in riot control and am well versed in formations and tactics. He didn't much look like a riot control officer to me.

No, pepper spray is not brutal, and no, not all cops use their batons to push people away. Watch the video again. The cop did not pull anyone to the ground or drag them. The only reason he was on the ground ever is because he was assaulted.

^ rofl


Payback:
I'm downvoting this on principle. It was staged by the protestors. They were hoping shit like this would happen. I think they heckled, jeered, and provoked the cop. I think he just proved himself to be human, and maybe probably not up to the crowd/riot control part of the job.

The video is far too edited to tell the whole story.

Protest "staged" by protestors? Must engage brain before posting.

I'll even ignore that and still slap you back down:
He proved himself to be cretin is more accurate. If this was on the street where a 16 stone hillbilly had just clotheslined a 7 stone girly girl, all you 'omg perspective' fuckwits would be condemning the bastard for hitting a woman. Would "heckling and jeering" be reasonable cause for a hillbilly to smash a woman in the face? Yes you say? Well then my next question is this; are you a hillbilly with an annoying wife?

Even more so for police.. to them, they're the men and everyone else is a woman - there are very very very few excuses to hit them.

I'm downvoting this on principle. It was staged by the protestors. They were hoping shit like this would happen. I think they heckled, jeered, and provoked the cop. I think he just proved himself to be human, and maybe probably not up to the crowd/riot control part of the job.

The video is far too edited to tell the whole story.

Hippies don't stop for water cannons, dude. How else would we stop them?

>> ^chilaxe:
Danish police get to use Molatov cocktails in riot control?!!

Tags for this video have been changed from 'Riot, Riot control, Danish, Cop, Police, Protest, Molatov, Cocktail' to 'Riot, Riot control, Danish, Cop, Police, Protest, Molotov, Cocktail' - edited by jonny

>> ^schmawy:
That's iffy, Marine. Probably a lot you do in the services that could be considered eia, in that case. Like being a fireman? Nordlich, you sound like a fire-guy, what say you?


There is a lot that might be considered eia - like sleeping next to thousands of pounds of explosives on a daily basis. But having a Molotov cocktail deliberately thrown at me ain't one of 'em.