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Strange video. I left Norton for McAfee when Norton became a bloated mess that took over your whole computer, then left McAfee for NOD32 for the same reason. Several AV's later (AVG, F-Secure, Kaspersky), I'm using Avira. So far... works well, low memory footprint, don't need to disable it for anything to work correctly, doesn't bog the system down at all. If Avira wants to lose me as a customer, all they have to do is start pushing a "security suite", which they offer, but I'm not interested. It probably goes back to my DOS days, but I dislike giving control of my computer to third-party software. And you can suck your "cloud". No thank you.

Ah. Here is the best comment I have seen, taken from Stranger Blog:

Jim Norton destroys his own side when he mentions that comedy is about speaking truth to power. Rape victims have no power. Making jokes at their expense is not only offensive it is bad comedy. If you want to make good comedy about rape it should start with being at the expense of the rapist(s) and their enablers.

So, yes a joke involving a rape situation could potentially be 'okay' but it certainly is more of a minefield than say... how many Starbucks' are in Seattle.

Hey, @ponceleon, methinks it is you who missed her point.

Her VERY FIRST COMMENT was this isn't about censorship. It is about something else. And yet Norton just keeps hitting that drum.

SHE GAVE UP because Norton is an idiot who had one thing to say that she agreed with. And you, dear ponce, never understood that two things were going on.

She is sharp and funny. And trying to make a point about something that is falling on stone deaf ears. Including yours.

@15:50 you can watch her mentally categorize and dismiss Jim Norton as a sexist asshole.

@Yogi -- GREAT POST about freedom of speech.

Lindy agrees with you, too. She said so repeatedly. This isn't about censorship. It is about an atmosphere of violence towards women in our society that is considered acceptable, and how these "jokes" can perpetuate it. The power of language -- she even says that -- we don't agree on the power of language, she tells Norton.

As for loving Louis CK -- what I said was I have never heard him say anything that wasn't searingly honest and respectful. When he does a bit on rape, it is worlds apart from Tosh calling on men in a comedy club to rape a woman present in the room. I can't remember the bit(s) Louis has told, but I know that I have heard them and been admiring of his brilliance in tackling a difficult subject. I also do have a sense memory of "whoa, dude! that is going to piss some people off!"

Louis CK is not for everyone. And not everyone fully understands the nuance of his work (I think -- that sounds self aggrandizing, but I do believe it is true.)

Well I was mostly only interested in Jim Norton because I'm a fan of his. I've come down on the side of too much freedom of speech is a good thing. I thought everything she said was incredibly valid, however some of it isn't provable. I'm not willing to give the state the power to regulate speech is all. I've heard Jim talk for hours and hours about freedom of speech and comics so I already knew where he was coming from and basically agreed.

That being said Jim is of course biased because his livelyhood is the one being affected. He gets threatened with losing his job on Sirius constantly, and he works with two people who did lose their job once or twice. I totally understand what he's coming from, I'm trying to understand where she's coming from but I think having a penis is blocking me mentally.

The bottom basement point is that this is all good. Not comics, but PEOPLE should understand certain things about the world and them finding out that women don't walk a darkened street feeling safe is illuminating.

Also you like Louis CK but think rape jokes aren't funny? He has like 3 that are great jokes and make you think. How he tells those jokes matter, and apparently he understands it better after having been raised by a mother, having 3 sisters and having 2 daughters.

Before watching this I know that Jim Norton is going to be right but be bad at making his points. The comedian they should've had was Louis CK, he's awesome.

Louis CK had a very good point in response to a Jim Norton joke actually. When you perform at a club you're performing in front of a group of people. You don't have time to take a survey and check what these people have been through, or what hotbutton issues they would have problems with. Everyone is different, for example my mom was murdered in a very not nice way, but my friends made jokes about her being dead all my life, it wasn't a big deal to me and I can separate my love for her and my love of a good joke. However I wouldn't expect that for everyone, some people wouldn't be ok with a joke about their mom being dead even if theirs is still alive. I think you can do what you do when you're watching TV, change the channel or remove yourself from that situation. You can face it if you want to and work through issues, and sometimes comedy can really help that by taking you to a dark place and making you laugh there. It's just we're humans, sticky soft disgusting humans.

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this is getting weird

Perhaps and we can only hope, Jaden will go the way of the Coppola daughter and make some movies worthy of the cut "cause on-accounta he caint ack"...very well yet anyhow, n will most likely head down the path of dad's shadow should he continue to enjoy the acting shoes...the same profession for which he is undoubtedly set for life in considering the number of peeps in the generation who grew up on Fresh Prince.

I missed Fresh Prince (ignored), and I did not get the memo that told me that Will Smith, not unlike Keneeau Reeves, is able to NOT portray, but a single character.

Whoa. How does Norton stay gay with guests like Heather Graham on his show alla time??