>> ^Skeeve:

Agreed, for the most part.
He obviously has talent, but to be a great artist one tends to need life experience (often of a darker nature) and that is something he doesn't have.
It should come with time though.
As for why we haven't seen a Mozart, etc. in hundreds of years, maybe its because the great artists of our time aren't composing classical music (which tends to cultivate the misbelief that it is somehow superior). Now, I'm a fan of classical music, but listen to While My Guitar Gently Weeps, Gimme Shelter, or All Along the Watchtower and tell me you don't feel as moved as when listening to Eine Kleine Nachtmusik, or The Marriage of Figaro.
>> ^TheFreak:
Bullshit.
Try listening to Jay Greenbergs Symphony no 5. It's horrible.
It's an unorganized cacophany. One moment it sounds every bit like an action movie score then immediately it swings the other way and you'd think you were listening to the music from a 30's cartoon. There's no rhyme or reason behind any of the sounds you hear, no progression, no building of emotion, no story being told, no subtlety or purpose...just great big sloppy swipes of an oversized lyrical paintbrush.
That 60 Minutes segment describes Jay's early and enduring interest in writing music. I believe that's about the only element of the story that's not pure hyperbole. From listening to his music you can tell that he has obviously learned a great deal at a young age about arranging orchestral music. He has knowledge. What he lacks is everything else necessary to create great music.
Boys his age do one thing with great expertise and skill....masturbate. And that's what "Blue Bird" is doing with his music...masturbating all up in your ear holes.
Jay Greenergs interest and dedication to study clasical music composition, as well as the encouragement he's received, has brought him a long way. The real shame is the uncritical feedback he's getting from the people around him. Without anyone to tell him that his music is ham fisted and clumsy there's every likelyhood that his narcisistic self appraisal will lead him to nothing.
Jay Greenberg has demonstrated an impressive ability to learn how to compose in a classical style. It remains to be seen if he can turn that technical skill into artistic achievement.



Brilliantly said. If you really listen to some music of "recent" times, it can be amazing. Gimme Shelter is a perfect example. Listening for the voice cracks when the lyric is being yelled "rape! murder!".. I could reel off an entire bunch of pink floyd songs that i think are on par with classical music.

I think that the reason there were "more musical genius" around back then is for several reasons - what else was there for an intelligent and interested young person to do then? Let's face it, the most interesting thing around back then was a piano. We have more instruments now, the world is more connected, we can sample each other's music and combine it. There's too many reasons. And you died by the time you were 40, so when else were you gonna do your burst of creativity if not from a young age?

Agreed, for the most part.

He obviously has talent, but to be a great artist one tends to need life experience (often of a darker nature) and that is something he doesn't have.

It should come with time though.

As for why we haven't seen a Mozart, etc. in hundreds of years, maybe its because the great artists of our time aren't composing classical music (which tends to cultivate the misbelief that it is somehow superior). Now, I'm a fan of classical music, but listen to While My Guitar Gently Weeps, Gimme Shelter, or All Along the Watchtower and tell me you don't feel as moved as when listening to Eine Kleine Nachtmusik, or The Marriage of Figaro.
>> ^TheFreak:

Bullshit.
Try listening to Jay Greenbergs Symphony no 5. It's horrible.
It's an unorganized cacophany. One moment it sounds every bit like an action movie score then immediately it swings the other way and you'd think you were listening to the music from a 30's cartoon. There's no rhyme or reason behind any of the sounds you hear, no progression, no building of emotion, no story being told, no subtlety or purpose...just great big sloppy swipes of an oversized lyrical paintbrush.
That 60 Minutes segment describes Jay's early and enduring interest in writing music. I believe that's about the only element of the story that's not pure hyperbole. From listening to his music you can tell that he has obviously learned a great deal at a young age about arranging orchestral music. He has knowledge. What he lacks is everything else necessary to create great music.
Boys his age do one thing with great expertise and skill....masturbate. And that's what "Blue Bird" is doing with his music...masturbating all up in your ear holes.
Jay Greenergs interest and dedication to study clasical music composition, as well as the encouragement he's received, has brought him a long way. The real shame is the uncritical feedback he's getting from the people around him. Without anyone to tell him that his music is ham fisted and clumsy there's every likelyhood that his narcisistic self appraisal will lead him to nothing.
Jay Greenberg has demonstrated an impressive ability to learn how to compose in a classical style. It remains to be seen if he can turn that technical skill into artistic achievement.

sifted because atara posted Dinosaur Ballet which only uses the opening 40 sec, before the orchestra comes in, and i thought someone might like to hear the rest.

from the wiki:
The Piano Concerto No. 23 in A major (K. 488) is a musical composition for piano and orchestra written by Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart. It was finished, according to Mozart's own catalogue, on March 2, 1786, around the time of the premiere of his opera, The Marriage of Figaro. It was one of three subscription concerts given that spring and was probably played by Mozart himself at one of these.

The second, slow movement, in ternary form, is impassioned and somewhat operatic in tone. The piano begins alone with a theme characterized by unusually wide leaps. This is the only movement by Mozart in F sharp minor. The dynamics are soft throughout most of the piece. The middle of the movement contains a brighter section in A major announced by flute and clarinet that Mozart would later use to introduce the trio "Ah! taci ingiusto core!" in his opera Don Giovanni.

Tags for this video have been changed from 'Mozart' to 'Mozart, marriage of figaro' - edited by rasch187

Since Morgan Freeman didn't know I can tell anyone interested that the duet is from "The Marriage of Figaro". It's called "Sull'aria? Che soave zeffiretto" and is preformed by the characters of Susanna and the Countess in Act III, scene X, in which the Countess is dictating a loveletter for Susanna to give to the Count.

Am I the only one thinking that this was a terrible delivery? I was frowning the whole time I was watching this clip. Ugh!

I've seen better talents in this show than this guy, and they get sent off. Why is everyone cheering? Oh yea, for an amateur, it's amazing. And yes, Opera is refreshing apart from whatever the hell they're singing about. But tears? TEARS? Those hicks MOCK OPERA SINGERS!!!!

I'm no 'expert' on classical music or anything, but at least I can call myself a dilettante. And I must say, if you think that was 'moving', you guys should CLEAN OUT YOUR EARS, and really learn to appreciate opera with the REAL stuff.

Sumi Jo - The Magic Flute - Queen of the Night - Hell's vengeance boils in my heart
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qn5PH7MC4g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njgzI0T7hBI

Luciano Pavarotti - Caruso from DallAmeriCaruso by Lucio Dalla
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8A61eY1Efg

Andrea Bocelli - Con Te Partiro (Time to say goodbye)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qhh8MaRnzMc

Angela Gheorgheiu - Habanera from Carmen by Georges Bizet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axvhEUyVfX0

Te Kanawa & Cotrubas - Marriage of Figaro - Duettino - Sull'Aria
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaVIwwNhocg

Te Kanawa - O mio Babbiono caro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUE2zG3R-hc


Yes, it's good to see people appreciating opera for a change. But it also seems like the audience is so ignorant when it comes to arias, serenade and operas that they seem to love anything that sounds remotely 'opera-like'.

It really disgusts me how some people were 'moved' by this mediocre performance. It really does.

I love the Marriage of Figaro. By the way, why Geek?