Yeah, the 'personhood' model and the cognitive machine model are each useful levels of detail for the same thing... the best one to use probably depends on what your application is.

I don't blame people, though, for holding views that I think have big costs for society... I think we're all in the same trap of limited human intelligence - them more so than us - and people will change their minds in the end.

Also, the libertarian in me says that society's lack of intelligence only has a cost on us if we let it (to some degree). Turing, for example, as much as I personally admire him for his genius, chose to take certain risks, and he lost the bet.

In January 1952 Turing picked up 19-year-old Arnold Murray outside a cinema in Manchester. After a lunch date, Turing invited Murray to spend the weekend with him at his house, an invitation which Murray accepted although he did not show up. The pair met again in Manchester the following Monday, when Murray agreed to accompany Turing to the latter's house. A few weeks later Murray visited Turing's house again, and apparently spent the night there.[32]

After Murray helped an accomplice to break into his house, Turing reported the crime to the police. During the investigation Turing acknowledged a sexual relationship with Murray. Homosexual acts were illegal in the United Kingdom at that time,[6] and so both were charged with gross indecency under Section 11 of the Criminal Law Amendment Act 1885, the same crime that Oscar Wilde had been convicted of more than fifty years earlier.[33] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing#Conviction_for_gross_indecency

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That's actually a pretty easy basic trick and moves like that are 10x easier in futsal than on a real football field with regular football shoes.

Here are some top players from Brazil playing futsal (the guy from this video (Falcao) and Robinho who plays for Manchester City)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P9vLrShzFA

Nice picture Rasch! And big fat congrats to Manchester man Dawg!

Keep posting!

The speaker sounds a lot like the crazy old guy at the end of this video:

http://www.videosift.com/video/Tornado-Manchester-F4-Wedge-Brown-Pants-Award

(at 2:30 in the video)

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*lies its quite clearly a made up disorder.

http://news.scotsman.com/uk/Dyslexia----39a.4877986.jp

"The sooner (dyslexia] is consigned to the same dustbin of history the better,"
wrote the Labour back-bencher in his online column for the Manchester Confidential website.

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http://www.videosift.com/video/War-on-Gaza-Demonstrations-Manchester-UK-28-Dec
What faces do you see in this clip?

What about the protests in
Oregon
San Francisco
New York
Tel Aviv
Tehran
Egypt
30+ UK cities
Ireland
Paris
and all over Europe and around the world?

What colour faces do you see there?

You know what, you'll see ALL COLOUR FACES, you'll see people from ALL CULTURES standing in solidarity with Palestine and condemning Israeli genocide.

You should go along to one of these demonstrations, I bet there's one happening near you. You might learn something.

In reply to this comment by Pprt:
Take a look at the faces: 0:18, 0:32, 0:50, 1:47, 1:53, 2:15 etc

There was even a Hezbollah flag there (the yellow one) and a poster of Ahmadinejad.

No video?

In reply to this comment by G-bar:
Here´s a story - I was traveling with friends in Manchester in UK a week ago. As we were walking in the center of town, we stumbled upon an ANTI-Scientology protest. All the protestors were wearing a V-for Vendetta masks AND singing the portal song... it was brilliant!!!

Here´s a story - I was traveling with friends in Manchester in UK a week ago. As we were walking in the center of town, we stumbled upon an ANTI-Scientology protest. All the protestors were wearing a V-for Vendetta masks AND singing the portal song... it was brilliant!!!

missed this, along with a lot of sift goodness recently.

shaun, 30, hairy boy-man. live in manchester uk with my scottish ladyfriend of 5 years and loveable little bastard cats of 4 months. went to university, got drunk, quit in my 2nd year when i realised my potential qualification was useless (combined honours degree - law, art and sociology) and started working in shitty sales jobs. became hideously addicted to the sift whilst at work a couple of years back, got to the point where i was refreshing the new comments page every 30 seconds. started a blog. got some decent traffic, started making money from it. quit my job and the sift temporarily as it was literally stopping me from earning a living. i now write for websites fulltime and try to run my site too. best 'job' on earth.

i drink approx 15 cups (large) of tea per day and get caffiene shakes around 6pm. i miss being a hardcore sifter but i had to kick the habit.

pornhub.com is awesome.

p.s. hi to all the old school (farhad, benjee, ladybug, michie, swampgirl, plastique etc) if you're still about.

p.p.s i see choggie committed sifticide. shame. considering he spoke his own language he did well to offend so frequently.

This looks like it happened in Manchester (UK), near where the tv series 'Shameless' takes place.
I commend this guy for his bravery. But knowing the scum he was fighting, they probably came back when he was asleep and torched his house.

http://www.videosift.com/video/Thomson-Fly-B757-double-bird-strike-at-Manchester

"Oasis are an English rock band that formed in Manchester in 1991."

If anyone really needs this explained to them... they obviously don't listen to the same music as me....