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newtboy (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

Uh oh, @bobknight33, they found the culprit that made the fake Biden robocalls in New Hampshire.


PS- I love how Trump reminded everyone how disastrous 2020 was, and how mentally feeble he is by bringing up “supply change” on OAN, claiming “no one had ever heard of the supply change before Biden” (he meant supply chain)…clearly forgetting that “supply chain problems” entered the current lexicon in 2020 when store shelves actually were bare because factories and ports shut down leading to SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES. No TP, no sanitizer, no medicines, no eggs, no milk, no pork (NO BACON!), ports closed, cargo ships waiting offshore by the thousands, trains full of cargo left in bad neighborhoods for thieves to empty because there was no one to unload them at warehouses and no place to store them, neighborhoods near ports absolutely filled with abandoned truck trailers for the same reason…all under Trump, suckers!
THANKS TRUMP for reminding your low IQ voters with no memory that “supply chain problems” were first created by Trump who botched Covid worse than any other leader on the planet. 😂

Oof…the failed impeachment just keeps getting better. We now know what Greene was talking about when she claimed the Democrats “hid” one of their members who ruined their little vote… Rep. Al Green of Texas was having surgery and the vote was scheduled to try to make sure he couldn’t vote, but he left the hospital and voted, ruining the tie vote they expected which would have let the speaker cast the deciding vote. Yet another sneaky underhanded MAGA attempt to subvert democracy foiled. D’oh!

😂 No immunity for Trump really has MAGA shitting their pants. Good job Trump, now you either get denied by the Supreme court and likely start in June and end your treason trial in September or you get them to hear you (and again rule against your obviously wrong interpretation of checks and balances as defined in the constitution) and his trial should end in late October, far too late to replace him on the ballot but with him disqualified…leading to massive landslides across the board for Democrats as MAGA doesn’t show up to vote if they can’t vote for Trump. 😂

Bonus- Residents of Eagle Pass Texas now say they are far more worried and afraid of the out of control angry nutjob MAGgots that showed up there than the migrants.

Oops Project Veritas again admitted lying about voter fraud, this time a fake accusation about Pennsylvania post masters mishandling ballots.

OH SWEET ZOMBIE GEEBUS! Look up MAGA loser Solomon Peña who lost his election in 22…he of course baselessly claimed fraud and tried to intimidate election officials to not certify the election, intimidate them by shooting their houses up, in one case missing a Senator’s 10 year old by inches as she slept.
Now both his first and his second hired attempted assassins have plead guilty to shooting up election officials houses at Peña’s direction (he paid them to do it, and personally shot up some of the houses with them). They could both get life.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-nm/pr/demetrio-trujillo-co-defendant-solomon-pena-pleads-guilty
Another day, another MAGA bunch of terrorists.

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

And more great Bidenomics news. Jobs double expectations, unemployment didn’t go up, stock markets hitting record highs, great gdp numbers, no recession, low and dropping inflation, waiting for the crash Trump hopes for isn’t making it happen.
Ready to admit you were W-W-W-W-W-Wrong on that one? You’ve been saying “just give it time” for a year now, didn’t collapse. 😂

But I get it, admitting your mistakes is hard…if you’re insecure.

newtboy said:

More economic news proving Bidenomics has been great for America. GDP beat all expectations. Unemployment remains at record lows. Inflation is still below 3.5%. Wage growth is above 4.6% (5.1% last year). Stock markets are hitting record high after record highs. The guaranteed recession and likely long term depression forecast for 2022-2023 was avoided completely.
I’m still waiting to hear something that’s not great, and I don’t mean complaining about 2021’s high inflation.

The economy doing great is terrible for Trump, that’s why he’s repeatedly said he hopes our economy crashes and we slide into a depression so maybe he could finally get more votes than his opponent (something that has never once happened in his lifetime).

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

Trump WAS absolutely found to be a rapist in a court of law, forcible penetration against the victim’s will is rape and it was proven he did that, he managed to run out the statute of limitations for a criminal conviction but he forcibly penetrated a woman against her wishes, it was proven in court.
He tried to sue Carrol for calling him a rapist, but the statements being true is a defense against slander and libel cases so it was thrown out. Try again sucker.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/judge-tosses-trumps-counterclaim-e-jean-carroll-finding-rape-claim-sub-rcna98577

She’s definitely not the only one, his wife said he violently raped her and so did 26 other credible women.
If Joe had done what Trump has been proven in court to have done, the same thing he was recorded bragging about doing, you wouldn’t ever stop calling Joe a rapist and you would be right because that’s what Trump is…you know it’s true.
Donald J Trump raped at least one woman and almost certainly 27 women and girls at a minimum, those are just the credible accusers and don’t include those too afraid to come forward or those he paid for their silence afterwards.

Constant credible death threats and the destruction of her professional career and reputation are worth $88.3 million, again this has been proven in a court of law. Trump said days before the judgement that he intended to continue defaming her forever after the judgement no matter how high it was, so the penalty was designed to change that position because $5 million had no effect at all. It seems to have finally worked. 😂
Also, since the punitive damages are designed to impact the perp, it was tiny if you believe Trump about his net worth. 10% of his total net worth would have been a low amount, and she got under 2% of what he claims to be worth, under 1% of some claims, a nothingburger, stop whining. 😂

Anything else? 😂

bobknight33 said:

Trump was never convicted as a rapist.

No insult is worth 83 Million. 2 or 3 max

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

More economic news proving Bidenomics has been great for America. GDP beat all expectations. Unemployment remains at record lows. Inflation is still below 3.5%. Wage growth is above 4.6% (5.1% last year). Stock markets are hitting record high after record highs. The guaranteed recession and likely long term depression forecast for 2022-2023 was avoided completely.
I’m still waiting to hear something that’s not great, and I don’t mean complaining about 2021’s high inflation.

The economy doing great is terrible for Trump, that’s why he’s repeatedly said he hopes our economy crashes and we slide into a depression so maybe he could finally get more votes than his opponent (something that has never once happened in his lifetime).

bobknight33 said:

What idiotic puke are you spewing.

You get your information from the same rag that say Bidenomics is doing great.

Bidenomics is not great.

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

Why did Trump need to make the hyper narcissistic “god made Trump” video?
Because he needs to because god doesn’t want Trump (proven by his constant losses)?
He puts out those videos claiming he’s the messiah and you stupidly still claim you aren’t in a cult. I won’t insult your lack of intelligence by pretending you believe the nonsense you spout…not even you are that dumb and ignorant, and that is a LOW bar.
Pretty hilariously clueless for you, or any MAGgot, to complain about fear mongering since it’s constantly and consistently been your main tactic….the world will end and you will die if you don’t vote for Trump, he’s said that. He’s also said it’s ok if you do die, as long as you vote for Trump first (or your relatives hide your death and use your vote for Trump).

bobknight33 said:

The left need to make such fear videos because Americans want Trump in 2024.

Hawaii Seaglider Initiative Launch

newtboy says...

It’s a ground effect hydrofoil sea plane inter island electric ferry concept, so it’s near its limit in the video.
Ground effect refers to a flight characteristic noticed at low altitudes where the air below the wing compresses between the wing and ground, creating enormous lift with smaller wings or winglets. This makes them much more efficient, especially at lower speeds or with heavy loads.
The largest I know of is the Ecronoplan- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lun-class_ekranoplan)

Here’s a bit more info
https://www.hawaiiseaglider.org/

Many “birds” make use of this flight characteristic to save battery power during long term surveillance flights, especially just offshore.

BSR said:

Pretty cool! Is there a limit to how high it can climb? I like the wings. Kinda reminds me of the unreal "birds".

Wash, rinse, repeat (according to some)

newtboy says...

Republicans refuse to see Hunter Biden who is sitting in congress waiting to testify…



As to the economy and American’s pocketbooks….Unemployment at record lows and below 4% for the longest period in my lifetime, gdp at record high in 2022, inflation down, gas prices below $3, groceries cheaper, wages rising faster.
Under Trump we got record high unemployment for the longest stretch in memory, the first negative gdp I’ve ever heard of in America, inflation exploding, cheap gas only because no one was working so demand went to zero, empty shelves and exploding prices, stagnant wages, and over 2 million people permanently removed from the job market (1 million dead, well over 1 million permanently disabled)…Trumps own cdc said his disastrous policies caused over 40% of those cases that many other countries avoided with sane covid policies.

Just yesterday Trump publicly hoped and wished for a major economic crash this year because it would help him in the election, not caring one whit that it would hurt America badly. Says it all, and goes right through that empty space between your ears without pausing.

It’s no surprise you have it 100% backwards…you are basing your position on what Trump told you not actual economic statistics, what he says are all lies.

bobknight33 said:

Joe Biden and the Democrats are a disaster for the American pocketbook.

How Bad is The Cost of Living Squeeze In the US?

newtboy jokingly says...

To my “Dumber than a box of hammers”

So, 2023 is over…
Gas, below $3 nationwide
Food, below last years prices
Cars, dropped all year in price
Interest rates…not up for credit cards that charge the maximum allowable by law to most customers, but true for loans….but for investments like CDs or bonds it’s a good thing so at worst a wash? It’s not slowing the housing market much.
Even inflation is at 3%…well below wage gains.

Also better, under Biden we avoided a recession everyone insisted was a certainty 12 months ago, and his administration has helped with student loans (and would have done more without Republicans blocking him), prescription drug costs, even car maintenance costs are lower thanks to the biggest infrastructure investment in our lifetimes. Unemployment continues to be at record lows for a record long timeframe.
His DOJ has also prosecuted thousands of cases of ppp loan frauds Trump allowed, recouping some of that easily stolen money.
If Republicans would stop blocking funding, he might fix the border too…we will never know because Republicans won’t pass a funding bill for more officers to catch and courts to deal with the influx, and instead are again threatening to shut down the government over the border without a solution themselves.

Wanna try again?

And I’ve said it before but I’ll say it again…I don’t wanna grow up, I’m a toy’s r us kid. How sad that must be for you.

bobknight33 said:

" it’s better by every single measure used to measure any economy."

Gas , food , cars, interest rates all cost more.

Your dumber than a bag of hammers.

Newt, grow up.

Judge Pronounced Trump Guilty Before Trial Began!

newtboy says...

🤦‍♂️No bob, they are not. THE FACTS WERE NOT DISPUTED BY TRUMP OR THE TRUMP ORG AT ALL, not in court…he submitted most of them.
Trump disputes the facts on camera, but not in court under oath. He can’t. The documents are what they are. He was too cowardly and guilty to take the stand…his smartest move yet.
Trump valued Maralago at $18 million for taxes, not the DA. He also valued it at 100 times that value to get good loan terms that saved him hundreds of millions the banks and county were then deprived of because of his fraud. Understand? I’m sure not.
I did the math, if his stated bank values are truthful, he defrauded the government out of well over $700 million in decades of unpaid taxes for one property.

What was presented during the prosecution “side” of the “hearing” bob? Nothing…because there was no prosecution phase, it was summary judgement based on what was presented by both parties during DISCOVERY. There has only been a “damages” phase of trial since the prima facie case made at discovery necessitated a sumary judgement…not a “prosecution side”.

Bob. This is civil court, not a criminal trial. Please stop trying to explain things you are wholly ignorant about.

In your example, a criminal trial with different rules, the defense could be you didn’t see them, or they dove in front of your moving car, or you were having a medical issue….or one of a thousand mitigating factors. Trump presented no mitigating factors explaining the frauds, the differing values that changed 10000% in value on paper with his signature swearing to the truthfulness of the values he presented, values he knew were fantasy, so was found guilty.
(Side note- in your example the victim’s heirs would also get a civil trial where prima facie guilt would be established by the witnesses and your admission you hit them and you would need to have evidence supporting your affirmative defense that it was under duress to evade liability, just as they would need to prove malicious intent or recklessness to get punitive damages, IMO).

😂 “Property values can’t be fraud in any way”. 😂 hilarious since submitting fraudulent values is exactly what he was found guilty of! 😂

The banks indicated massive fraud, who told you they didn’t? Trump? The banks lost over $180 million in interest they should have received if the collateral values had been correct. Yes, they made some money, but lost out on $180 million plus.
When you get a loan based on fraud like this, even if you pay it back you still comitted a crime and any penny you made from that crime can be recovered from you, exactly what’s happening.
It’s as if Trump submitted documents “proving” his credit rating was 800 but in fact it was below 400, then saying it’s no crime because he paid his low interest credit card bills, pay no attention to the lower rates and perks he received because of his fraud, they’re nothingburgers…$180 million nothing burgers.

This is a BS showman disgraced ex president caught red handed. You know it, he knows it. No one is blinded, you are simply dishonest.

What of me statement are bullshit or not in this hearing/case?
The disclaimers don’t mean Trump can just make up the numbers, like he did. I know he claims that, he already lost that point in court. He gave fraudulent numbers, values, square footage, claimed unpermitted unbuilt rentals were filled and collecting rent, claims he didn’t add “brand value” but it’s there listed on the documents.

lol. You get your “information” from crack heads, failed comedians turned pundits, and con men like rapist Trump. I get mine directly from the courts, then verify, then look at what nonsense MAGA is saying about it, then debunk your nonsense. Stop projecting. I’m not stupid. I’m no dick. I have almost no ego. I simply hate stupid lies and the stupid lying liars who lie them stupidly and I have the testicular fortitude and perspicacity to factually contradict them with facts, figures, and references.

You don’t ever look for shit, you liar. You take what the MAGA machine hands you and you say what they said to say. You haven’t had an individual thought since you’ve been posting here, not one. Every word you post can be found in the MAGAsphere written by someone else who makes money by telling you lies to repeat.

Yes, Trump was found guilty during discovery before the courtroom trial began, which is perfectly normal and reasonable in cases where the evidence is incontrovertible like this one. That’s the United States legal system, no surprise you don’t understand it….you don’t understand thing about my country.

Now whine that he couldn’t have a jury trial just because he didn’t ask for one until after his trial had started. So unfair! 😂

bobknight33 said:

But the facts are disputed , which mitigates the ability of the judge to make such decision. This was presented during the 11 weeks of the prosecution side of this hearing.



It only work is such cases as for example 5 people see me run over and kill someone. That is not is dispute.
What is or could be to mitigate my conviction is to show just cause -- IE being robed at gunpoint or such.


This "trial" is about property value. This cant be fraud in any way. Trump places a value and banks do the same and an agreement is made. No bank or lender indicated fraud -- Every bank got paid back, with interest and some made other deals on other projects.

This is a BS show trial. prejudged before it even started.

Only the ignorant are blinded.

All you statement below are bullshit -- none of that in this hearing. Every proposal for loans clearly had disclaimers for banks to do their own due diligence in their evaluation. Some thought higher some though lower-- but all made loans and got paid back.


Sadly stupid dicks with big egos, like you push false information.

I look for actual facts like presented -- Her own words - Trump Guilty before the trial began-- Thats BS

Republicans Start Telling The Truth

newtboy says...

I guess you couldn’t find a loser American with that idiotic a viewpoint that intentionally missed the point entirely. Loser!

In case you really are dumb enough to believe this red herring twaddle, it’s not about saying the word pussy, it’s about him bragging about his long disgusting history of raping and sexually abusing women, giving gifts in hopes of buying a chance to fuck his friend’s wives, paying for sex with porn stars, paying for sex with playboy bunnies, leering at 14 year old girls in their dressing rooms against their will, and being best friends and party buddy with Epstein for decades…all while married, and generally having nothing but distain and a total lack of respect for women…a misogynistic abusive history now codified in legal history, Trump is the only president found legally in court to be an actual RAPIST!
Character matters, especially in the highest office on the planet. That should not need saying, but clearly your ilk has forgotten.

Trump is a MUCH bigger pussy than Biden when the chips are down, he caves every time, he only talks tough and never to his target’s face. His foreign policy was essentially “what would you like” to our enemies…he caved to the Taliban 100% when they were nearly wiped out and handed them back their army and walked away from the Afghan government with a total (unplanned) retreat for instance….why? What did they give us in return? Nothing. He just caved. He’s even afraid to walk down a low angle ramp by himself.

bobknight33 said:

Foreign Trumpist nonsense.

How Bad is The Cost of Living Squeeze In the US?

newtboy says...

Shows your delusion perfectly.
It’s not worse, it’s better by every single measure used to measure any economy.

Inflation has turned around and is down to 3.24% with wage gains outpacing it by almost double, and wage gains were the highest ever at 15.28 % in April of 2021 under Biden and a record low of -5.89% in April of 2020…who was president then? Low inflation doesn’t mean shit when unemployment is at record highs wages are actually going DOWN, shelves are bare, and GDP is NEGATIVE!!
Negative wage growth is the same as inflation…it lowers earning/spending power…so does losing 15-20 million jobs!
So, combine wage growth and inflation then average in the unemployed at $0 income to get average earning/spending power, you will see earning/spending power was much LOWER in 2020 under Trump even for those that kept their jobs…when you could actually find anything to buy that is. 🤦‍♂️
I know you don’t remember a hour ago, but many of us remember 2020, the terrible, horrible, no good, very bad year in so many ways ending in a coup attempt.

Good management turned what Trump left, a triple decker shit sandwich in a festering sewer and guaranteed recession at best according to every economist, into a boom so great inflation spiked higher than just thanks to Trump wasteful overspending and pure handouts to business owners with completely unregulated no background check no repayment PPP loans, but Biden’s fed handled it and inflation is barely above average and well below all other G7 nations by far.

You think the economy is worse now than record high unemployment record low wage growth record low gdp record discretionary federal spending and record business closures!?!…by what measure buddy? What measure? Inflation is down, earning power is up….WAY UP. Your feelings don’t mean shit….in fact, fuck your feelings snowflake.

bobknight33 said:

Inflation.

nuff said
Your old play book of blaming the previous administration is pure BS.
If Biden was handed a shit sandwich He has had 3 years to push policies to turn the ship around . But he hasn't It is worse.

Palestinian UN Ambassador At UN

bcglorf says...

"Who the fuck cares what the reason they wanted to invadeflee was?"

Characterization matters a little here, no?

"They had a right to refugee status there, not to take control and possession by force"

Which is at the heart of things.

The Arab narrative is that Jews arrived guns loaded and set about pillaging, killing and invading as soon as they had sufficient numbers, while the poor domestic Arab population had only been trying to assist and welcome in the refugees...

Which is ahistorical propaganda.

The reality is that for the most part, the European Jews arriving in Palestine were refugees and acting like refugees. Meaning they mostly just wanted to be able to provide food, shelter and safety for the families, just like everyone else. Most of them tried to set about doing this by legally purchasing land.

Lots of the local Arabs similarly were content to get along.

At that same time though, there were hardcore Zionists among the Jewish arrivals AND there were xenophobic elements willing to use violence within the Arab population too.

The tensions rose as the populations rose, but largely as a result of a large people being displaced, and NOT as the planned invasion you describe. The local Arab population started to band together to refuse to work, trade or sell to Jews. Violence broke out instigated separately on smallish scales by BOTH sides. Escalating violence followed, again back and forth between sides.

I'm in a camp that has a hard time blaming either the domestic Arab population for distress at the huge influx of refugees, nor for the European Jewish people having a low tolerance for discrimination and violence directed there way solely for being Jewish.

I see it as a huge mess, but with two large populations of Jewish and Arab people in Palestine acting not terribly unreasonably under circumstances of extreme pressure.

I think it's lazy and convenient to just declare 'invasion' so that you can simplify it all down to right/wrong and good guy/bad guy....

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

I’m not the Lord….but thanks for saying I am, even if unintentionally.

So, it’s more projection then….and more evidence english is your second language at best, and you failed the class, and that you’ve never passed remedial math.

Disgraced traitor and failed dictator tumescent Trump has had the worst week in court history, after testifying that “sure, he did the crimes” he’s set to lose hundreds of millions and all his businesses before going to prison at best, and is set to be in court for treason all through the election, and you just CAN’T admit it. Fortunately the court system doesn’t care if you believe, and neither do independents.

If only there was some undeniable metric to tell how the economy is doing, like GDP (up beyond belief from NEGATIVE 2.3% for Trump to 4.9%), or unemployment (holding at record lows of 3.8 down from 9% Trump left), or wage growth (at 5.3% well above inflation, up from 2.6% under Trump thanks solely to low wage earners losing far more jobs or it would be zero), or inflation numbers (down enough at 3.7% that the fed stopped raising rates) we could look at to see the trends.
So sad there’s nothing we can look at to see and so I guess we’ll just have to take your word for it. 🤦‍♂️

Can you tell us what measurements you use to determine that Bidenomics have failed, or by what measure Trumpenomics were successful? All I know for sure is they are not the normal ones used to evaluate economics because they all point toward Trump’s policies being disastrous and Biden’s being amazing, well above all predictions consistently, so I’m curious what they are.

Ugh…more of the failed lawyer posting from mommy’s basement. How many times will you let this guy make you look stupid before you stop posting his rantings?

The same polling he references said we were getting another red tsunami yesterday…but we didn’t, did we? Republicans lost almost every single contest, even many that seemed to be a lock. Don’t you find it odd that you think Trumpism is so much more popular but every Trump backed candidate consistently loses? Keep clinging to false hope, it’s done so well for you in the last 5 elections. 😂

Now, aren’t you going to explain the mathematics of inflation to me and explain why 75% inflation translates to 140% price increases? I want to learn, and I know you can teach me since you have a firm grasp of math.

bobknight33 said:

Lord you just love clinging to nothingness.

Here Just look at you failed POTUS and ponder that. That whats matter,

Biden is a failed POTUS.
Clear as day.
Bidenomics has failed. You just can admit it.

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

And….
Unemployment still 3.8%
MONTHLY inflation is at .5%. Yearly down to 3.7%…better not worse.
GDP at 4.9%! WAY better, not worse.
The fed stopped raising rates before you wrote this two months ago. That’s better, not worse.
Wages- Wages in the United States increased 5.31 percent in September of 2023 over the same month in the previous year. Wage Growth in the United States averaged 6.19 percent from 1960 until 2023, reaching an all time high of 15.28 percent in April of 2021 and a record low of -5.89 percent in April of 2020.
That’s better, not worse.
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/wage-growth#:~:text=of%20Economic%20Analysis-,Wages%20in%20the%20United%20States%20increased%205.31%20perce
nt%20in%20September,percent%20in%20April%20of%202020.

Trump spent at more than double the rate Biden has, and lowered federal income by trillions…Biden’s spending is largely infrastructure investments (like roads, bridges, internet, etc) that historically pay off 100 fold in the long term, not handouts to billionaires that take the money offshore never to be seen again, or “walls” that are really useless fences that don’t slow the increasing undocumented immigration one bit. Biden’s spending is better for America, not worse.
Your point?

Keep fooling yourself, the proof is still in the numbers, and Bidenomics has turned the country around from the worst year in living memory in just about every way imaginable, Trump’s nightmarish 2020.

bobknight33 said:

3.8% unemployment will go up.
Inflation is not at 2.1% Going down yes but not at target.
FED still need to destroy jobs.
670K Full-Time Jobs Lost In 2 Months Vs 1 Million Part-Time Surge; Worst Unadjusted August Payrolls Since Great Recession.

Massive Government spending created this.

Keep fooling yourself . Biden economics are hurting Americans and it will get worse.

Chauvin Guilty of Murder as Calls for Police Reform Grow

newtboy says...

You are so dumb you didn’t notice they were reading some allegedly repeatedly copied document so blurry and incomplete even they couldn’t read parts of it and are pretending it’s an official record. You might be gullible enough to buy that nonsense, but courts sure aren’t.

You are so incapable of following along that you likely didn’t notice they are simply misstating the accusations by a disgruntled ex employee….accusations already 100% debunked at trial.

Just like every single bootlicking excuse you’ve given for these murderous cops and every prediction you made about this case, another “L” for Bobby and his idiotic tantrums.

But you knew this before you posted it. Your goal is never to present factual information, it’s to throw any nonsensical lie you can come up with at the wall and hope it sticks unnoticed. That’s what you call a “win”…it is as close as you get. It’s an “L” bob.

Edit: Just a side note, when used for anesthesia the correct dosage of fentanyl is 10-20 ng/ml…so even if this was an actual autopsy report (hint-it’s not) 11ng/ml is FAR from a lethal dose…it’s the low end of the advised amount that just makes you sleepy…for people with no opioid tolerance. If true, it would only prove that Floyd wasn’t ever fighting them, because he was sedated then unconscious when they murdered him. You never EVER consider the implications of your mensonge du jour, and as a consequence they are rarely what you seem to expect.



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