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Racist is what you do, not what you say.

C-note says...

Once again a fact was stated.
No white male police officer has ever been convicted of murdering a black male in america's entire history.

No claim was made. A claim by definition leaves the possibility for the statement to be false.

The statement is true and if you are demanding evidence there are many accredited places of higher education that for a nominal fee will educate you. With that education you can become your own expert and conclude for yourself the statements validity.

nanrod (Member Profile)

PlayhousePals says...

Yeah ... I can relate! My big two were "Do you want one great present or two regular presents" [ugg] and, when I started going to school, I was one of the older kids in class. I was bored to tears, could have skipped the fourth grade [my parents wouldn't allow it] and could have graduated high school in the middle of my junior year [also not allowed]. By that point I had no desire to pursue higher education and moved out of the house while my parents were on vacation the summer I graduated HS. It would have been a knockdown drag on to even broach the subject [not so] Good Times

nanrod said:

Thanks for the sentiments but it's hard to have anything but a quiet day when even your own family is partied out after the holidays and your birthday always seems to be the first day back to school or work. I shouldn't whine, December 23 probably isn't the best time for a birthday either, and on the bright side I was the New Years Baby.

Will Smith slams Trump

slickhead says...

No joke. First, Christan politicians of various denominations from various churches holding office in a secular country with a godless constitution is vastly different than when the church controlled king and country all over the western world. Our founding fathers saw to that. The church's power has been in decline for centuries thanks to luminaries like Paine, Franklin and Jefferson. The church has never regained anything like the power it held for the centuries before "the Age of Enlightenment". Source: any world history book. Second, we don't have any idea how many of today's politicians are atheist/agnostic or simple deists because in most places saying so is a sure fire way not to get elected. They wouldn't dare say if they were, but seeing as how most politicians receive a higher education and how higher education leads to a higher rate of atheism, I'd wager the rate of atheist politicians is higher than in the general population. Third, I never said there wasn't a Christian majority in the US. To begin with, I was speaking about the decline of the church's power globally. I shouldn't have to tell you the world has more countries than the United States. With the global economy this distinction (you are too inept to make) is more important now than ever.

The only one of us who should be ashamed is the one with absolutely no sense of perspective. The one who will dismiss the horrors of Islamic fundamentalism because "Christians do bad stuff too!!! WAAAA!" To be clear, the one who should be ashamed will be you, NewtBOY.

newtboy said:

You MUST be joking.
Christians don't have overwhelming political power?!
What color is the sky in your universe?

How many publicly atheist elected officials in the federal government can you name? How many "Christians"? Now think about what you've said and feel ashamed.

Big Think: John Cleese on Being Offended

enoch says...

i have been watching interviews where prominent comics are refusing to do gigs at universities due to the fact that the PC culture has become so saturated that they can't even do their bits,and it becomes a horror show.

young,educated people who mistake their own little bubble-world and attempt to project their sense of morality onto others by demanding changes in language and attitude by way of shrill harpy speak,is totally missing the point of humor.

comedy is the examination and critique of certain truths we may hold sacred,and expose the absurdity.a good comedian can do this fairly well,a great comedian does so with a finesse that is epic.

see:george carlin.lenny bruce,bill hicks,patrice o'neal,bill burr,louis ck.doug stanhope

so i have to disagree with you @Imagoamin.
comedians who thrive on being edgy are not thriving just for the simple fact of being edgy or controversial.they thrive because they are adept at exposing the absurdity of life in such a way that makes us all laugh.....at ourselves.

they experience pushback constantly in the form of heckling and jeering,and do so on a nightly basis and do not get upset that people get offended by their material.that is the very boundary they are pushing!

self examination,criticism and the ability to accept that maybe those things we held so dear are,in fact,absurd and in need of ridicule.the great comedians all give us a great,totally effective self-cleansing pill.they call it "the get the fuck over yourself" pill.

but the overly sensitive PC culture that is festering in our current higher education institutions is creating a new breed of human that lacks basic self-awareness and,on the whole,a gaggle of humorless cunts.

humor is a concept beyond their ken.they dont get it and instead of relaxing a bit,they prefer to get their panties in a knot over.....words.so they all get together and tweet and facebook,in order to share their outrage and make their little signs and march in front of a chris rock show with absolutely zero sense of irony.

to them they are striking a blow for justice!

which is just absurd,and in desperate need of ridicule.

Free education and the current state of America (Worldaffairs Talk Post)

Free education and the current state of America (Worldaffairs Talk Post)

newtboy says...

Yes, we could make all those cuts and changes and afford free higher education for all citizens...or we could maybe not build one or two new aircraft carriers and/or maybe mothball a few other pork barrel military welfare projects (by which I mean unwanted aircraft and/or vehicles) and pay for it all with no tax increase.

Sadly, we won't do any of the above because our system is, if not completely broken, at least being effectively sabotaged by many of those running it.

Michelle Obama on race in America

Trancecoach says...

Glad to see the rhetoric of victimhood is "alive and well" among the elites in their treatment of minorities.

I doubt Ms. Obama recognizes the irony of her speech that uses the very type of race-baiting that the founder of Tuskegee University, Booker T. Washington, railed against. Even back then, a former slave could see how such instigation such as the kind displayed here results in little more than sewing the seeds of discord in the black community. So much for "higher education." It's too bad Michelle wasn't booed off the stage, protested, or that the students didn't walk out on this self-serving, victimizing tripe.

▶ Chicago Activists Unchained, Destroy Black Leadership

Sagemind says...

I want to support a lot of what these guys are saying. But I think they are fundamentally wrong.

First. Although racism is alive and well in Class warfare, it's still not Black Vs White. It's Money Vs. the Poor.

Second. "Get out there and vote" is a Fallacy. You will never win anything when the game is already stacked against you on both sides.
What they need to do is get involved in the system. Create their leaders, stand behind them and further their own agenda.

I would hope their agenda is equality and not just them on top on others on the bottom. But that is is how the system works. You need to be involved in the process.

There are two HUGE roadblocks that have been built in these people's way. First. Education. You need to be smart in the ways of Politics. You need the highest education to go up against the leaders in power.

How do you get higher education? You need money. These people, such as the people of Detroit, have been pushed down into poverty. They need money for two things. The education of their leaders and their youth. And they need Money to challenge the position of power -- the system has slowly been transformed into a system that sides with money. Money to run in politics, money to buy off other politicians.

Without money and education, they have no power to effect change.
Without money and education, WE have no power to effect change.

And that's how the leaders in democratic countries stay in power. They've engineered the system in their favor.

In the US, there are only two Parties. and they are both as corrupt as each other. So it's a no-win, never-win scenario.

At least in Canada we can have and create new parties and as long as they have the support, they have to be taken seriously.

The Idiot's Guide to Smart People: Sports

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PlayhousePals says...

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Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Student Debt

newtboy says...

Actually it was rhetorical, I knew where I was going to start, I was not asking you in a real way or expecting you to answer...that's what rhetorical means.
Because the video was limited to American schools and systems does not mean the comments will be, we have a diverse bunch of sifters from all over the globe that might want to comment, and might not stick to America as the only place that counts. It is logical to ASSUME you might have meant only American schools, but some of us don't assume we know another's meaning and just go with what you wrote. If you wanted to limit your comment to American schools, you could easily have written exactly that. There's not a character limit on posts!
Or, perhaps Bareboards2 knows some Americans that would be insulted by your painting them as lowest common denominators at their basest. I would be one. I admitted those you describe exist, and may even be a majority, but Americans are not homogenous by far, and there are many that do exactly what you claimed they don't.
It's not hard to CARE, it's hard to retain, it's hard to focus, it's hard to attend at times, it's hard to come up with supplies, it's not hard at all to CARE about education, and I've never met a person of lesser means that didn't wish they could get more education. Saying they don't care is insulting, saying they don't achieve (as well as rich counterparts) is fact, sad tragic fact.
Yes, I agree, we need to help the poor a LOT more, their plight is getting worse daily while those not in need are the only ones succeeding.
I'm right there with you on free higher education, for the betterment of the nation AND it's citizens. College grads are far less likely to commit violent crimes or otherwise be drains on society, so are a boon for all.
It sounds like you may be confusing a lack of time, money, ability, and energy with a lack of caring, or perhaps not. As I said, those you describe do exist, in large numbers, they are simply not the ONLY variety of American student.
What?!? If this woman is in class working and paying for a degree while trying to raise 3 kids, one disabled, it sure sounds to me like she CARES about education, and that she's not lacking in educational pursuance or lack of drive, she's possibly failing for lack of energy and time would be my guess, or maybe from lack of educational preparation, or innate ability. If she didn't care, she shouldn't be spending money and time being in class working for a degree that no longer guarantees more money, she should be in welding class, or making bank cleaning up the school. There's nothing wrong with that, I've done both. People who only want to get more money and don't care about knowledge should go that route, they'll have a much better chance of success and not be in crippling debt for a chance they'll use their diploma for financial gain.
WTF?!? When they stopped the abuse, did you care then? The poor have tribulations, but are not constantly working to the bone unable to even contemplate a better future because they're outrageously accosted by life every second of the day. Be real. When there's time to think, many people of all social strata think how they would like to lean something new. You obviously cared enough to be in classes now even with this abuse you speak of, just like I did when and after all those things happened to me (but with only one brother. For me it was actually incentive to learn more and be 'better' than my brother whenever possible, in order to have a better life, I know I'm a freak though ), so what's your point? The poor don't think about furthering their education 100% of the waking day because they're too busy being poor, so they don't care about it at all? That's just silly. I think many if not most don't think about it much because they've determined there's no reasonable opportunity for them to achieve it, so why dwell on what you can't have. It' s not an issue of not careing.
I think we should help them have the opportunity to gain higher education and ability to make use of that opportunity because we know most of them DO CARE about education, but could certainly use help to achieve it. Those that don't care (I again admit they exist, but not only among the poor) should be helped to care, because it's important for them and us to have everyone educated.
Jon Stewart was generalizing, not making a statement about each and every American. I only take issue with the broad brush strokes painting all Americans in the same ugly color, I think we're a quite varied and interesting group, and I don't resemble your generalization in the least...and I'm American. I did admit that I think many, if not most Americans do fit your description, but you seem to still take exception to that viewpoint.

Lawdeedaw said:

You ask where to start? It is obvious that was not rhetorical in any way shape or form because your argument was poorly put together from the beginning.

"The total bill due in AMERICA tops 1 trillion." Then, "That's right, student debt in AMERICA..." There is even a reference to an AMERICAN President, and everything else about this video was about America. We see a reoccurring theme here newt?

So follows the logic that since this discourse is focused solely on American schools, then we are all talking about American schools. No other assumption is logical. My comment, with that prefacing in mind, is obviously intended for American schools. Yeah, take it out of context and I look like an idiot, but with the context I am not the one that looks stupid.

Let me give you another example. Say we are talking about gay rights in America and I just generalize the concept of gay rights after an intense discussion about just that. You could argue that since gay rights in tribal, African countries are different then I am stupid, but don’t be such a stickler for pathetic red herrings.

Second, the problems facing the poor are tragic. It is WELL DOCUMENTED; however, that poor children have lower grades. Why? Because it's hard to think on an empty stomach. In other words, it's hard to care about what the fuck is on the chalkboard when you have to worry about where you are going to get food at or hell, if you will have a roof over your head. This fact is not insulting, as you clearly say it is, this is reality. A sad, tragic reality that few in America have the balls to have a real discourse on. We trivialize it behind a false veneer. We make it seem like the poor try so hard and care so much but that if only we helped them a little more they could succeed. No, we have to help them a LOT more.

I think all colleges should be paid for by the government. I think books and research materials should be free. I think we can do a lot more than what we currently do.

Lastly, one student in my current class is obviously lacking in education and more so obvious does not care. She is a mother of three children, one of which is disabled. I can see why she just wants the degree and I don't judge her. You, on the other hand, do unintentionally judge this woman, newt. You insult her by suggesting her lack of educational pursuance is rare to the poor and that she must be failing that pursuit because of a lack of drive. She cannot care about bettering her leisurely time newt, period.

Do you think I gave a fuck about learning, just for education’s sake when my brothers beat me, threw me down the stairs, choked me, humiliated me, and shoved a pillow over my face at night? Or when they punched my skull into concrete and beat my dog? You insult the hell out of me—as though I SHOULD have cared when I just tried to survive. As though I failed to care and that made me a failure. The poor should not care—they should survive. We should all help them care.

Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Student Debt

newtboy says...

In California we have a JR/community college system that transfers credits to 4 year colleges. You can take your first 2 years at a DRASTICALLY reduced expense, < $50 a credit the last time I went. You can also go there without a major or plan, just to learn. That's what I did for years and years, building up credits towards a degree without declaring one. It's really sad that that's not the norm, it seems like a great system. Not only does it make entry into 4 year colleges easier and cheaper, it also makes the 2/3 of students that drop out in the first 2 years have FAR less debt (if any) when they decide school is no longer the right option. It also opens higher education up to high school students with aptitude and older people who simply want to learn something new without breaking the bank to do so. This also makes for a better, more diverse student body.
Before someone who doesn't know makes the assumption that the level of education is lower than 4 year schools, you should know that many have been awarded 'best college' and 'best teacher' for the state repeatedly. True enough, there is an upper limit to the classes offered, but advanced molecular organic chemistry, offered and taken at Foothill college, was fairly advanced, as was advanced marine biology, taught by the repeated winner of 'best teacher' in the state. Each class cost about $250. WHAT A DEAL!

Why Does 1% of History Have 99% of the Wealth?

scheherazade says...

The industrial age is part of 'economic liberty'.

People were free to make inventions that use coal, or use oil, and were free to market them either as products or services.

That differs from the earlier times/case where folks were obligated to participate only in activities sanctioned by their local lords. Often where they couldn't even travel freely.

Much of the math and chemistry we have comes from centuries worth of largely superfluous [essentially hobbyist at the time] higher education of the privileged classes. (eg. Boyle's/Charles' laws being a foundation of modern internal combustion engines, not used in said form for centuries after written down).

(Note : Which still continues to be the case, what we come up with in a purely theoretical form today, ends up being used in practical application much later. Although maybe it's speeding up. eg. Relativity is used in making GPS work, and that time delta isn't quote as large.)

Once the idea of economic liberty took hold, and people were free to come up with ideas that use the universes natural/physical properties to replace 'manpower', you had the industrial revolution.



The 'honor' part plays a good role too. You can witness this still being an issue today.
You can go to parts of eastern Europe, and talk with people about jobs and respectability.

There are plenty of places where a laborer is scum, and a businessman (eg. owner, who does not himself work, but has people working for him) is highly respected.
In these places, you don't see much work getting done, as a large portion of the typical western service sectors just doesn't exist.
For example, there are ~no house painters. Showing up with paint buckets and overalls would just get you strange stares and mumbles from people around you, and parents would be saying to their kids "See, this is what happens if you don't get good grades".
If you want your house painted, you gotta do it yourself. Few self respecting people are willing to do that job.
In contrast, ask people around the U.S. about who painted their house. Odds are, they hired for it.

The effects on small business are visible too. Lots of shops, the moment the owner can afford to not come in himself, that's exactly what they do.
And on top of that, they take every chance they can get to point out to folks that 'they don't work anymore - people work for them'.

It's a culture where the people responsible for productivity are looked down on, and it has a chilling effect on productivity.

-scheherazade

criticalthud said:

False. The industrial age was primarily brought about by cheap access to energy - first coal, then oil. Not one sided economic policies.

RedSky (Member Profile)

enoch says...

thank you for your most awesome reply.always a pleasure discussing topics with you.
i always give an ear to your input,especially in regards to business and economics.so i am not surprised you studied in that field.

but now i feel i called you a charlatan...derp derpa derpa....my bad.

there is something that always confounded me in regards to higher education.
why is it there appears to be a triad:business,economics and finance.

shouldn't these be integrated? why are they separate?

Oppressed Majority

artician says...

Every male I was around in gradeschool, junior-high, and highschool acted like this. It shaped a very embarrassing portion of my self that was only erased when I reached college and realized it wasn't how people should be if we want everyone to live the life of freedom that we hope to.

I was going to say how no one I know ever went so far as to rape a person, but even that's not true considering the unchaperoned "party" my friend and I had at his house with two girls, where which I left at sunset for dinner because "my parents would get mad at me", and I later learned that the two girls and he got drunk on his parents liquor after I left, and one of them later pressed charges that he'd raped her that night.

I don't say this lightly, it's something I remembered just now, and is clearly a memory I have fought to push out of my mind. It's not a fear of guilt, I bear that very much, as much as it's the first of many encounters a really naive young man had with how terrible sexuality can be between the established genders in our society. I believe this happened when we were in the 6th grade.

I'm very thankful today that I am as pro-equality as I am, and that I never committed any mistakes nearly so heinous as that. That said, I understand the film is a compilation of all the worst-case-scenarios in a woman's day to day life, and you should view it understanding that, but where I come from, and understanding how there are such extremely concentrated pockets of ignorant society along these lines, know that there are very many people out there who act this way.

I got out; passed the "small-town-test", but knowing the adults I knew when I was growing up, and that nearly none of my schoolmates from that era ever moved from home or had any higher education, I know that those who stayed there continue to act that way 20+ years on, so in the end this video is not inaccurate.

deathcow said:

I don't meet dudes who act like any of this. I must hang out in educated circles of civil people. WHo is this made for?



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