>> ^NobleOne:
Why are they using the CERN to find the God particle?


I'll move off-topic a bit in defense of CERN and the LHC. Sorry, I can't help myself.

In short: they're not. First of all, the "god particle" is a dumb hype name popularized by the media for the hypothesized Higgs boson, a scalar particle the existence of which is predicted by the standard model of particle physics. The misconception is that, if found, it would 'explain all of physics', which is, again, a major overstatement. Secondly, they're using the LHC for a variety of different purposes - you should read the wikipedia article, because it's a fascinating experiment and people are, for the most part, largely ignorant or misinformed about it.

The coffee maker was probably made by that company Higgs & Boson.

Man's technology has exceeded his grasp. - 'The World is not Enough'
Zealous Nobel Prize hungry Physicists are racing each other and stopping at nothing to try to find the supposed 'Higgs Boson'(aka God) Particle, among others, and are risking nothing less than the annihilation of the Earth and all Life in endless experiments hoping to prove a theory when urgent tangible problems face the planet. The European Organization for Nuclear Research(CERN) new Large Hadron Collider(LHC) is the world's most powerful atom smasher that will soon be firing subatomic particles at each other at nearly the speed of light to create Miniature Big Bangs producing Micro Black Holes, Strangelets and other potentially cataclysmic phenomena.
Particle physicists have run out of ideas and are at a dead end forcing them to take reckless chances with more and more powerful and costly machines to create new and never-seen-before, unstable and unknown matter while Astrophysicists, on the other hand, are advancing science and knowledge on a daily basis making new discoveries in these same areas by observing the universe, not experimenting with it and with your life.
The LHC is a dangerous gamble as CERN physicist Alvaro De Rújula in the BBC LHC documentary, 'The Six Billion Dollar Experiment', incredibly admits quote, "Will we find the Higgs particle at the LHC? That, of course, is the question. And the answer is, science is what we do when we don't know what we're doing." And CERN spokesmodel Brian Cox follows with this stunning quote, "the LHC is certainly, by far, the biggest jump into the unknown."
The CERN-LHC website Mainpage itself states: "There are many theories as to what will result from these collisions,..." Again, this is because they truly don't know what's going to happen. They are experimenting with forces they don't understand to obtain results they can't comprehend. If you think like most people do that 'They must know what they're doing' you could not be more wrong. Some people think similarly about medical Dr.s but consider this by way of comparison and example from JAMA: "A recent Institute of Medicine report quoted rates estimating that medical errors kill between 44,000 and 98,000 people a year in US hospitals." The second part of the CERN quote reads "...but what's for sure is that a brave new world of physics will emerge from the new accelerator,..." A molecularly changed or Black Hole consumed Lifeless World? The end of the quote reads "...as knowledge in particle physics goes on to describe the workings of the Universe." These experiments to date have so far produced infinitely more questions than answers but there isn't a particle physicist alive who wouldn't gladly trade his life to glimpse the "God particle", and sacrifice the rest of us with him. Reason and common sense will tell you that the risks far outweigh any potential(as CERN physicists themselves say) benefits.
This quote from National Geographic exactly sums this "science" up: "That's the essence of experimental particle physics: You smash stuff together and see what other stuff comes out."
Find out more about that "stuff" below;
http://www.SaneScience.org/
http://www.LHCFacts.org
http://www.risk-evaluation-forum.org/anon1.htm
http://www.lhcdefense.org/
http://www.lhcconcerns.com
Popular Mechanics - "World's Biggest Science Project Aims to Unlock 'God Particle'" - http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/extreme_machines/4216588.html"

Exactly, Priceless!

And Nobel feuding begins as Dr. Hawking (who estimates a 1% chance micro black holes will be created but thinks they will evaporate), bets $100 that the Higgs Boson will not be discovered and Professor Peter Higgs attacks Dr. Hawking's scientific credibility. More collider humor at http://www.lhcfacts.org/?cat=29

Higgs-Boson for the win!

If they detect the Higgs Boson I will post a naked video of myself on the Sift.

>> ^Johnald_Chaffinch:
Hypothesizing about the Higgs boson or force carrying particles is basic physics (with some common sense).


I entirely disagree, force carrying particles are anything but common sense. But that's for another forum...

Hypothesizing about the Higgs boson or force carrying particles is basic physics (with some common sense). On the other hand what true Christians believe in is MagicMan in the sky that kills babies and plants dinosaur bones to trick his pet humans..
But really just believing in any god for real is far more absurd than using science and coming to logical conclusions.

Virgin birth, resurrection after three days, all these stories go right back to Egypt and even further to ancient Babylon. It's sun worship, that's all it is, that's all it ever was. You have to be careful with Zeitgeist but part 1 is right on target.

Science doesn't get away either. Christians may believe in God, but scientists believe in the Higgs boson and force carrying particles - both of which are as absurd as each other....

@ Fade, you're correct. The Higgs Boson is predicted by the standard model, not String Theory.
@ ashes2flames, that level of certainty doesn't exist, especially in the realm of quantum physics.

Correct me if I'm wrong here but I believe you are mistaken Irishman, it's not string theory but the standard model that predicts the higgs boson.

Either they are going to detect the Higgs boson, or the last 30 years of contemporary physics has been a complete waste of time, and all the physicists who have made a career out string theory will be beaten with sticks.

My money is on them not finding it, and once again the string theorists will fiddle the equations to keep themselves in funding.

Great video. Now when they don't find the Higgs boson you will realise why the last 30 years of contemporary physics will have been a complete waste of time and we can finally bury string theory once and for all.

Unless of course the string theorists change around the equations for about the third time to try and explain away why we haven't detected it yet...

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There are no extra dimensions in this theory. I think you might be confusing string theory in here, which using projection matrices to collapse dimensions.

A rotation matrix is mathematically different than a projection matrix.

He does predict many new particles, but right now it is clear that the theory makes new connections to physics that we don't already know.

In reply to this comment by krumzy:
Im still reading through the paper (have to catch up on some lie algebra first) but the rotation is significant because it can help you (somewhat) to visualize the different projections onto lower dimensions which describe the effects of different feild forces: gravity + standard model forces.


Although i have to admit im far from understanding any of the actual physics underlying the math, im not too sure about this one. From what i hear, even though it has received some praise, the science community in general hasnt exactly welcomed this guy with open arms. Maybe if this theory helps with research into the Higgs boson, the media will be justified in their hunt for the newest Einstein. Lets not forget, if you read this guy's bio you will see he is very media friendly unlike your typical theoretical physicist locked up in his office, rarely seeing the light of day let alone encountering any human interactions. This one could just be gaining attention for purely superficial reasons, so stay skeptical.