I just wait until they throw in the DLC for free in GotY packages or it becomes really cheap in some sale. Most of the time I don't care about the DLC anyways as it's quite often MP stuff (Call Of Duty for example, never bought a single piece of DLC for those). I don't like 13 year old sexist racists, so I do SP only.
If it's worthwhile stuff (like the Skyrim add-ons or the extra Mortal Kombat characters), DLC is fine but if it's shit like horse armour or an extra pistol nobody needs, I'll ignore it.
I only get mad when the publisher fuck with the customers. The only reason I forgave Square Enix the Missing Link DLC fuckery is because it was really great.

...So, Square enix has actually been on record for the past.. at least like, 10 years, ever since the tech demo for PS3 came out saying "We don't want to just remake old games for the sake of it. We feel that we need to surpass the stories we've told previously before we decide to possibly re-visit them in the future."

And with FFXV looking like it's probably going to shatter the entirety of the franchise in terms of awesomeness, it seems like they're finally ready to actually remake a lot of peoples favourite.

I disagree. Pushing 63 million polygons is no mean engineering feat.
It's 12 times what Square Enix did for its DX11 demo, for a start.

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Is it just me or does the CGI and graphic techniques used seem awful lot like a mix of Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy?

It just looks...Japanese

[EDIT]: Oh, no wonder. It's co-produced by Square Enix and their Art Director happens to be Japanese.

>> ^SDGundamX:

I saw Video Games Live when they came to Tokyo and that version brought tears to my eyes (Koji Kondo, Zelda's original composer, played the piano during it), but this... this is just absolutely mindblowing. Definitely will be watching for a CD release like these guys did for their Square/Enix concert a couple years back.


Yeah, i saw VGL too the first time they came to Paris, and it was great. This, however, is nothing short of a masterpiece.

I really expected it to go into the Top 15 to be honest, proving once more than i'll never understand what my fellow sifters likes.

I saw Video Games Live when they came to Tokyo and that version brought tears to my eyes (Koji Kondo, Zelda's original composer, played the piano during it), but this... this is just absolutely mindblowing. Definitely will be watching for a CD release like these guys did for their Square/Enix concert a couple years back.

good thing this isn't being developed by square enix then
>> ^westy:

looks intresting , but square enix are absaluty terable at doing "game play"

looks intresting , but square enix are absaluty terable at doing "game play"

I highly doubt this is real..or in context.

"In testing" could mean we're still years away from getting it anyway.

However.. They still have too much potential locked away in the PS3, nothing has really pushed its limits yet.

I am also, however, eagerly awaiting the sony press conference at E3, move is the only thing that looks reasonably marketable (a Wii HD market will net a lot of gamers who are fed up with the mostly T and below rated games), there has been the talk of 3d coming to ps3, and last but not least, a while back Tetsuya Nomura stated that Final Fantasy VII fans should be happy with E3 this year.

He has since followed up by saying "FFVII main character Cloud Strife creator Tetsuya Nomura is the one doing the talking this time. In a recent Famitsu interview, the powerful Square Enix producer said the following of FFVII and the Cloud character: "Fans are looking forward to an oft rumored remake of FFVII, but I don't believe this will happen for the time being. However, it's possible that he [Cloud] will appear in other titles as a guest character."

In my opinion, sony is going to "Win" at this years E3.

Square-Enix, the japanese developer of Final Fantasy are known for great CGI-trailers, true, but they are probably not involved in this game at all. The only reason this game has a Squeenix logo is because they bought Eidos last year, the game is being developed in Canada by Eidos Montreal.

I don't like the way they are branding stuff after the takeover, it's very confusing and easy to think the japan studio is somehow involved with games they have nothing to do with.

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So let me make this crystal clear (I hope). You are more than welcome to dislike the game, obviously. You're more than welcome to complain about the game, and if your complaints are legitimate, I'll happily debate them. What annoys me is when a new FF game comes out and people are actually surprised by the formula as if they hadn't seen it twelve times before (more or less). It's clear they've seen it at least once or twice before, because they nearly always say that FFx is better, where x is usually the first FF game they've played. So surprise? Really?

Also, I don't think calling my argument a straw man helps. Let's take a look at a few examples:

"I quit the final fantasy series as soon as moved to the playstation. Just like Peter Griffin's critique on the Godfather, the Playstation series insists on itself. ... Most of all, I really liked the Jrpg's battles. There was an element of thought that was needed in order to be successful. It has since mutated into a very bland, almost mortal combat style of predictability."

In other words, FF sucks now and FF6 was better. The characters, plot, and development have been more or less the same for several games. Saying it insists on itself implies to me that you're expecting it to reach for something more, which I don't think was ever the case. Also, the battles in Final Fantasy games have never needed that much thought. You have more likely simply gotten better at these games.

"I don't have a problem with reviewing a game based on the first 5 hours. If the first 5 hours are that bad, shame on the developers; they get what they deserve. Seriously, 5 hours is generous... a game is lucky if I give it 5 minutes to pull me in before I decide to never play it again (*cough* Metro 2033 *cough*)."

What? A JRPG that takes longer than five minutes to get going? This should not be a surprise. You have pretty much dismissed the genre completely.

"I liked Final Fantasy 10. I hated the new combat in 12. It sounds like the combat in 13 is worse."

A variation on FF sucks now, FF10 was better. The combat in every Final Fantasy game has been different in one fashion or another, and FF13's system has to be played to be appreciated since it largely emphasizes quick reactions and decision making. In my opinion the system plays much better than it sounds or looks.

"Personally, I find myself angry and depressed upon each FF release because it's such a sad and pathetic commentary on the world we live in. Here we have a series built on bad storytelling, bad characters, bad plots, bad gameplay, and bad interface design and it's one of the most celebrated game franchises of all time."

Mischaracterizing the series does may be the problem here. Final Fantasy is primarily built on epic-ish plotlines and really pretty graphics. It's not stellar writing, but people seem to like it, so Square-Enix doesn't really improve it -- Yes, that's lazy of them. Gameplay and interface have changed with each iteration so these aren't really central to the series. The graphics get consistently better at every turn -- I don't see why this is a problem.

"If you're going to bash on the bashers you need something better than 'Stop complaining, the game is MEANT to be like this!' because that, believe it or not, is not a valid counter argument. The game depends on whether people find it fun. I can't make my own shit game and defend it by saying 'It's meant to be shit!' and expect people to stop bashing it/not liking it."

Okay, how about "why are you commenting on a game you clearly haven't played" or "why are you expecting something other than a JRPG when playing it"? I may not be able to level this one at you directly, but comments such as "The battle system *sounds* awful" and "The interface *looks* horrible" and "Why don't I know everything about a game after five hours" are missing the point in my opinion. At the end of the day, you have to play a game to get an accurate opinion on it, and if you're somehow expecting it to be different than other JRPGs then I don't know why you're wasting your time.

My goodness... That was WAY too long and COMPLETELY useless. I need some chocolate or something.