That's what even Trump appointed election officials are telling us all. I don't watch CNN for the 86th time. Why are you incapable of remembering anything?

The other side hasn't SHOWN a thing, they're making accusations but have no evidence, proven time and time again in court. Pay attention.

It is wasn't wholly fair, there were multiple attempts to suppress voting. By fair I mean there was no massive or consequential cheating and half the irregularities of 2016, maybe a few singular instances but far less than normal. There were hundreds of thousands of mail in votes lost, and nationwide >60% went to Biden. That far exceeds anything even claimed in court.

I'm curious how the party not in charge allegedly fixed it. The only explanation I hear is nonsense involving Venezuela, Spain, Soros, and Cuba.

If they fixed things so trump votes become anti trump votes, Clinton would have won by 10 million and not campaigned half as much. Get real, if they fixed the vote this year, why did Republicans retain the Senate? Same ballots, but dems only cheated for president? Asinine.

It might have Ben, but it was incredible destructive to the nation, our union, trust in government, and national security....all for one man's fragile insecurities.
His legal rights are used up. It's been weeks since it was impossible for him to win in courts. With his current team, it would be impossible even if he had a case, but he doesn't. Grow a pair, stop whining, and learn to live with it.

Every day he stomps his feet screaming means another 1000 dead for his ego.

Interesting ramblings having nothing to do with my post about Q and news coverage, and mostly dead wrong.

Let me fix those....
Lost a boatload of jobs leaving us with highest unemployment rates since the great depression and the largest number of businesses closing.

Lowering taxes but raising spending, giving us the highest debt and largest deficit ever.
Include emergency spending and this year added well over $7 TRILLION to the debt. Each man woman and child owed $88000 before this year's insane over budget spending in the neighborhood of $7 Trillion that's been reported (which means it could be trillions more in hidden spending). He is running America like a business, and he likes to strip businesses of all cash and assets, putting them in his own pockets, bankrupt them, then walking away leaving his partners ruined. America is nearing bankruptcy, is in massively more debt despite his promise to not only end deficit but end the debt term one. Instead he tried to double it and pocketed hundreds upon hundreds of millions in illegal business he directed the government to do with Trump companies, something no president has ever attempted but Trump's term has been non stop hatch act violations from day one, so he illegally stole hundreds of millions from hard working Americans, again.
Largest GDP drop ever in history, meaning the worst economy ever, not the best.
The deficit this year will be the largest since WW2, more than double the huge Obama 09 deficit that stopped the Republican recession of 08, 18% of GDP.
https://www.thebalance.com/us-deficit-by-year-3306306
The debt is 136% of gdp...up 32% under Trump in just 3 years, the Deficit is up 15%. The country reaches a tipping point if the ratio is more than 77%...it's 136%. 77% is when lenders begin to worry whether it's safe to buy the country's bonds. They think the government may not be able to pay back its debt. Under Trump they're fairly certain we won't even try.

Put another way, if Trump paid for his 2020 spending instead of raising the debt exponentially, every man, woman, and child would have a tax bill for $20000 just this year alone, with zero reduction in debt.

Caving in to China after praising them for their Covid response, he's not fighting back over anything. He can't even get a trade deal done after tossing out one we had, this has cost hundreds of Billions in pure wasted money for his ego. China is expanding as we contract in ability, economic strength, and even territory.
He's pro Russia, he's destroyed American manufacturing, education, mail, infrastructure, international standing, trade, and debt. He talks pro American, he doesn't lead or govern that way. He's pro Trump, and has no other loyalties.

The military didn't need a whit of rebuilding, it was quite well funded before, and he inherited the best prepared, best funded, best armed (with the most ammunition despite his lies), largest (measured by equipment, not soldiers), and most inclusive military. He's screwed them repeatedly, by repeated last minute redeployment, cutting benefits, ignoring Russia's bounties on American soldiers and the deaths those payments caused, tossing out decorated soldiers while pardoning and reinstating murderous anti American sadists (stripping them of honor), and now he's screwed up their medical system by screwing up the USPS, delaying their medicine, and killing some veterans in the process, way more than Benghazzi.

Yeah, you are bat shit crazy, ignoring facts constantly to praise Trump over his destruction of our national status on every front.
Just nuts, Bob. You must pretend 2020 didn't happen to believe even one of those lies.

Btw I think the gist of this thread has become about how normal it is to be physically corralled and violently attacked by the state when you 'break the law'.

On one hand we've got people who think a swift blow to the temple is in order for walking on the grass (yes everyone likes nice lawns) while others think that even if you are an asshole for walking on the grass (whatever your motivation) violently subduing people is far worse and more damaging and should be done only when absolutely necessary to protect others or the functioning of the infrastructure of the state (and even then it's only a short-term self destructive 'solution').

A nation is like a marriage, it works if the people involved want it to work, and it fails disastrously if they don't. Try body slamming your wife because she didn't do what you told her and see how long the family stays together.

EDIT- not literally bareboards, opus. I TOLD YOU NO DANCING BITCH! *crunch*

I think you're overstating your case on the slavery thing, Morganth, especially in the Roman Empire of the first century, though you do have a point about the fundamental differences between the old/new slavery, i.e. the systematic destruction of entire nations for slave labor instead of it being just a natural byproduct of war/conquest. It is no accident that slaves were largely visually indistinguishable from the general populace, the Roman Senate knew and feared that if they were easily recognizable then they could easily identify each other and therefore join arms and rebel against their masters (to the ire of the prevailing opinion of the day which spawned numerous proposals of this which failed to pass many times in the Senate).

The majority of slaves in the time were the absolute property of their owners who reserved the right to whip, beat, and kill them with no fear of punishment (again though there were many "charitable" masters but your case is a bit overstated), pending the various forms of either outright or payed, formal or informal manumission if their masters even granted them that (not to mention the carrot-on-a-stick of just the possibility of a freedom which may never come kept slaves in line and obedient, removing the impetus of even trying to improve one's lot in life). This was no guaranteed right by any stretch of imagination. To say that the average slave was no worse off than the average citizen just had me honestly and genuinely scratching my head for a bit.

Your issue with Harris on slavery is a matter of degree not kind.

Ya, my friend and I were war gaming about this the other day, running things out to their logical limits. I have no doubt that the spending we did during the cold war most likely kept us safer then not spending it. However, it seems the when one nation finally "looses" and can't afford to keep up the game anymore, the power structure on the other side can't ever dislodge itself. The result is the spending that wasn't meant to last forever does, and the self destruction of that nation is destined as well.

In other words, the rise of two super powers means the eventual fall of two. It is a form of entropy related to the unstable condition they educe in each other. It might very well be that the cost of long term success is eventual failure; that all systems, no matter how good, if they intend to survive will end up imploding. It was kind of a neat topic

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Defense contractors get public money
Defense contractors buy political influence
Political influence puts more public money into Defense Contractors' hands
Defense contractors buy political influence
Political influence puts more public money into Defense Contractors' hands
Defense contractors buy political influence
Political influence puts more public money into Defense Contractors' hands
Defense contractors buy political influence
Political influence puts more public money into Defense Contractors' hands

And so on. That's why our military spending is outrageously inefficient and excessive, and we keep fighting wars that are irrelevant or counterproductive to our national security. No-bid contracts and cost-plus contracts should be explicitly forbidden by the constitution. The military should stop privatizing essential components of their operation and paying orders of magnitude more than it would cost to do in-house.

These dangerous idiots seem to have a war-centric view of human history. They don't care that we used to be illiterate, starving, and living in the mud, and that now we have access to unimaginable sums of knowledge from our centrally-heated living rooms. Their only concern about human invention is how it relates to the mutually-destructive struggle between nations.