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I doublepromoted Dan Savage and it is acting weird.

It is always the last vid[edit -- no it's not the last vid it is just that] when you get to it, the thumbnail is small, not the expanded one.

It was fine at first. I think maybe when the promote time ran out and it went into doublepromote mode, it started acting wonky.

*promote my two favorite things... Hobbit and Colbert. Throw in Dan Savage, and I'll keep this on the front page forever

Dan Savage compared it to a smashed-up bit of canned ham. When challenged for being anti-woman, he responded that at least he'd compared it with something he does enjoy eating.

>> ^bareboards2:
I'll stop typing now and await your answer to that last question. Would you argue with a black person about their experience of racism in America?


Yes I would and I have, because @speechless, race is another thing we should just stop banging on about. It's an even less useful signifier than gender.

You should probably discard all your experiences as a woman. I've had a couple of experiences as a woman and a few more as a man; and let me tell you, compelling as they were, they don't influence my politics. We should endeavour to distance ourselves from anecdotalism and consider every issue intellectually and impartially - that's the best way to learn.

If we are going to continue then we have to revisit context, where we obviously haven't been able to understand one another. I don't want you to 'see my context'. The point I want to get across to you is that while any word, like 'boy', will have many connotations - age, sex, gender, race, power, innocence and many more, and subtly shaded combinations of any number of these; the application of that word in one context, by the stereotyped southern sheriff say, doesn't retroactively change the meaning of the word used in another context, "Dear Dan Savage, I'm a boy..." You have to think of these as distinct 'meta-words' rather than a single word that you imagine is being used wrong.

However much you might object to a perceived cultural infantilization of women, which I contend isn't a meaningful grouping anyway, playing the word-police is a truly bizarre and useless way of opposing it.

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Part 2: In the Streets | Dan Savage

I've wondered before if this sort of thing isn't a generational divide. Did your cohort become so used to arguing with your parents, who were actually sexist and racist and homophobic, while feeling you had to pay such careful attention to your own attitudes and vocabulary to avoid becoming like them; that you're not equipped to understand your children, for whom all that nonsense is so far behind and beneath them they don't bother to trammel themselves in the same way, when they try to explain why calling something 'gay' isn't a symptom of an underlying prejudice?
Nobody cares about that any more. None of the smart people anyway, who are themselves the most viciously oppressed and under-represented group in modern society.

I'm eagerly looking forward to the decline of gendered nouns and pronouns in general. It's such a bizarrely inappropriate way of communicating, the equivalent of appending "(...and by the way I'm talking about a male here)" to so many words that don't call for that detail.

Your two example sentences honestly, HONESTLY read exactly the same to me. This ought to be welcome news to you. It means the war is over, you can climb out of the trenches into the sunny world of a post-feminist future.

I'm running your experiment in a casual way, though as has been mentioned already those words come up too infrequently and in the wrong contexts to get much out of it so far. I'm afraid you'll be disappointed or assume bad faith if we report an underwhelming experience, but if we find these words as harmless as we say we do then that's all we can report.
Your 'radical' version is unsound because it involves projecting a specific attitude directly in to the experiment. Of course you'll find chauvinism - you put it there.

What do you think is the #1 reason 'girl' as a synonym for 'woman' is in more common usage than 'boy' for 'man'?

>> ^bareboards2:

I was reading Dan Savage's column yesterday (love that man, every bit of his potty mouthed being). The first sentence in one letter asking for advice was this:
"I'm a man who just got out of a two-year relationship with a great girl."
So if we do the experiment, the sentence now becomes:
"I'm a boy who just got out of a two-year relationship with a great woman."
gorillaman Stormsinger SevenFingers, do you honestly experience those two sentences exactly the same way? Are they conveying the same information?
Or are you startled by the experimental sentence? Is a different story being told about the relationship of these two people? Who has maturity? Who has, excuse me for using a charged word, more power? And with that power, do they have more responsibility?
Storm, you said you would be willing to do this experiment ... have you noticed any word situations like this yet? Gorilla, you never answered my question, so I am taking it that you are declining the experiment?

I was reading Dan Savage's column yesterday (love that man, every bit of his potty mouthed being). The first sentence in one letter asking for advice was this:

"I'm a man who just got out of a two-year relationship with a great girl."

So if we do the experiment, the sentence now becomes:

"I'm a boy who just got out of a two-year relationship with a great woman."

@gorillaman @Stormsinger @SevenFingers, do you honestly experience those two sentences exactly the same way? Are they conveying the same information?

Or are you startled by the experimental sentence? Is a different story being told about the relationship of these two people? Who has maturity? Who has, excuse me for using a charged word, more power? And with that power, do they have more responsibility?

Storm, you said you would be willing to do this experiment ... have you noticed any word situations like this yet? Gorilla, you never answered my question, so I am taking it that you are declining the experiment?

Dan Savage blogs on this, and promises a better quality video soon.

http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2012/10/03/im-dan-savage-and-i-approvedand-stand-bythis-message

I don't think I've ever heard Dan Savage mad before. It's refreshing.

Malinfomred. Love it.

The source, for anyone like me who thought it's bad English:

"I just made up a word because I couldn't focus my eyes. AND I LOVE MY NEW WORD. It fits this current political climate we are in. Some folks aren't misinformed. They are MALINFORMED." --Gale, Slog reader

"People who pay attention to Fox News ... aren't just misinformed. They are maliciously misinformed. They are malinformed by malinformers spreading malinformation." --Dan Savage at Slog.>> ^bareboards2:

Malinformed.
Fox News Channel viewers are malinformed.
PS your thumbnail doesn't appear anywhere in the vid. Siftbot says it must....

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag. (show it anyway)

Hey that's awesome. Congrats.>> ^bareboards2:

OH MY GAWD!!!
I sent my "new word" to The Stranger, and Dan Savage blogged about it!!!!! Yippee!
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2012/09/29/word-of-t
he-day-malinformed