So let's sum up your post quickly...

-The ASPCA is wrong because you know better.
-I'm a bad parent because I won't wrap my son in bubble wrap and hide him from a world that is inherently risky.
-By saying "force the dog to give up the bone" you assume that I'm mistreating it (using force) rather than teaching the dog to leave something (like a chew toy) then migrating that lesson to something it really doesn't want to give up like a meaty bone. Similarly, transfer of higher standing in the pack is not hard and does not require cruelty.
-You won't provide any supporting information apart from citing numerous anecdotal testimonies, which you also won't provide.
-Ban them because everyone else does (because humans never make knee jerk decisions based on headlines rather than science)

Your post is littered with ignorant and arrogant assumption and presumption. You're not interested in backing up your claims with any actual evidence and seem more interested in snide little ad hominem attacks. As I said, it's ironic that the person arguing against dangerous breeds is less well behaved then a member of the breed in question...

Your belief that the breed should be banned might have the slightest bit of credibility if you were able to muster up the civility to act with common courtesy.

Your "comment" is a non sequitur. You cannot equate cruelty to animals with the disparity between humans. The "mite infested tree rat," as you put it, has as much right to a cruelty free life as you. If you cannot see that, then you are part of the problem.

1. The pup would be what we Australian's lovingly refer to as "a little battler" (typically someone who is deficient in some way but gives it their all).

2. Pit's can be as vicious or as gentle as you make them. The reason they make great fighting dogs is because they are almost undying in their loyalty to their master. They can be treated far harsher than most other dogs, who would either turn or break, and so can be trained to reach heights of viciousness other breeds can't hope to match. This obviously involves a lot of cruelty and it's something I abhor particularly, considering just how loving this breed can be.

3. Our half pit has only snapped at me once (during bone training, where I would force her to surrender a meaty treat frequently to establish dominance so that if someone came close to her while she had one, she wouldn't snap at them). My wife had half her face mauled by a shepherd when she was young even though the thing had always been completely docile. My son was bitten by his great grand fathers yippy mini dog who we had to chain up because it kept coming at him. My aunty had a horse who was so gentle blind kids rode it who tried to kick and bite me... What does this prove? Abso-fucking-lutely nothing, dogs are animals and animals may turn, often without an obvious reason why. It's part and parcel of owning pets, acknowledging there is a risk.

4. People who can't watch a harmless video about a puppy (typically videosift gold) without bitching about dog breeds really need to watch the video again and appreciate teh funneh...

This video, or one like it was sifted about 5 years ago to much fanfare and many votes....Fast-forward to the now, and animal cruelty comments....The world is either becoming a kinder, gentler, peaceful place or worse, people are more concerned about the well-being of a resilient, mite-infested tree-rat (able to absorb shocks like a fall from great heights, hello??) than that of the human race being fist-fucked by a small minority of the same...Maybe this one's more you speed:

http://videosift.com/video/Squirrel-Takes-a-Seat-to-Eat or this one
http://videosift.com/video/Squirrel-Go-Round

Kinna cruel but I'm guessing the squirrels' no worse for the wear and they do invariably, come back for more. Personally, I prefer this one:
http://videosift.com/video/Homemade-Squirrel-Catapult
and the water-sprinkler squirrel thingy, which I can't find here.

Pretty sure that falls under animal cruelty. Not cool.

NZ is, however, considerably more lenient about games than Australia, whose lack of an R18+ rating has resulted in numerous bans and cuts.

Bans in NZ are interesting in that the media in question has to be EXTREME to be banned: NZ has an AO rating for games which is accepted by the gaming public and regularly used.

Manhunt and Manhunt 2 were banned as "injurious to the public good", in that the only way to succeed in the game was to escalate the violence against characters in increasingly horrific manners, and the game rewarded greater and greater brutality in such a way as to desensitize the player.

Postal 2 was banned by the chief censor with the comments: "...The quantity and cruelty of the violence can be gradually accommodated and increased as the player becomes more callous and inured to the violence inflicted...The constant crass racist, sexist, and homophobic references motivate the player's crimes and tend to further encourage the player to accept and escalate the violence he or she inflicts."

Whoa.

What a load of bias rubbish. Very selective quoting. The ban on fox hunting was nothing to do with human rights, but rather animal cruelty. Foxes can still be hunted, with a gun of all things. You're just not allowed to let your dogs maul them to death because that's cruel. So what they're apparently campaigning against is a load of rubbish, hunting with guns is still legal.

Oh, and so is pistol shooting - you just have to keep your gun at a gun club. The only thing that's illegal is keeping your gun at home.

As for Tony Martin, he's a nutjob. Tony Martin had his gun license revoked in 1994 because he shot at someone who was stealing his apples. Ok, so the guy was on his land and stealing fruit, but it's OK to shoot them? No. No it's not.

There are a lot of inconsistencies in his story of the incident. He claimed to have shot from the stairs having been woken by the break in. He didn't, he was shown to have shot from a downstairs doorway. He was lying in wait for them and ambushed them. He shot the kid that broke in in the back as he was trying to escape.

I'm pretty sure in America the feeling is just that the kid had it coming, he shouldn't have been there. I don't buy into that at all.

Homicide with a gun in the UK: 0.07 per 100,000

Homicide with a gun in the US: 2.97 per 100,000

US rate is more than forty times that of the UK. Which country has broken gun laws? The simple facts are that I'm safer in the UK without a gun than I am in the states with a gun.

Figures found here.

If that's your characterization of American policy, then at least be balanced in your contempt for injustice, cruelty and criminal behavior. By that same measure, the Taliban and their kindred Islamic Jihadists are systematic murderers of women and children and anyone that is not themselves an Islamic Jihadist as well. Most noteworthy to this discussion, they regularly and deliberately plan and execute school shootings and bombings far worse than the recent American one and against student's in Pakistan.

Paint America in the worst light if you must and your conscience requires a higher standard, but at least have the decency to maintain that standard when discussing even more violent and cruel entities.

it seemed funny at first, but then turned to animal cruelty via incompetence

>> ^Sagemind:

Emotions, hate and everything negative create a killer - thereby emotion, forgiveness and love shall set him free.
...And by free, I mean free to remorse and begin a process of feeling what it is to be human again.
Since negative forces create a killer, condemnation and negativity will never penetrate to hard shell he has around him. The unexpected realization that someone is reaching out, someone you expect only condemnation from can be the chisels to start the first crack of remorse and acceptance that maybe someone out there cares.


Very well put.

He is so used to negative feedback from people, it probably just fuels how he validates his actions. It is the unexpected act of kindness that he was not prepared for.

When I see someone who is sick, I see a symptom of that illness. When I see a member of society acting in this fashion I see a symptom of a social illness. We are all responsible for our own actions, don't get me wrong. However I wonder if there was any point in this man's upbringing where something could have been done differently so that he wouldn't have brought so much pain to others.

On a side note I have a ton of respect (despite his tendency towards believing in mythology) for a man who can forgive another for such a devastating act of cruelty.

First I burst out laughing.

Then I laughed some more.

All in all though its probably on the verge of animal cruelty to raise it up like that. But I do not know the state the person got the dog or whatnot.

So you're saying you think there's a situation in which throwing peanuts at someone and saying "this is how we feed the animals" is acceptable behavior?

Part of why I sorta just view the entire conservative jihad as one giant threat to mankind is this way you guys always rally around people you identify as part of your tribe, no matter what kind of horrible thing they've done.

The only thing you guys condemn your own for is ideological apostasy -- bigotry, corruption, cruelty, even murder doesn't really seem to bother conservatives, at least when it's done by a conservative. But if a conservative says the rich should pay more taxes, or that global warming is real, or that gay people have the right to legally marry -- if they do something like that, then you'll immediately grab your torches and pitchforks and run the guy out of town.

>> ^bobknight33:

You and I don't know why they threw peanuts.

>> ^FlowersInHisHair:

>> ^poolcleaner:
>> ^FlowersInHisHair:
Haha, I know. I don't normally say things like that, and actually I guess the dog has to learn what the fence is for! I know there's no cruelty there. But it does look bad.

poop in your hair

Why? I admitted I was wrong. No fair!


I'm sorry, it's just my way of bonding. I was abused and emotionally stunted as a child, so I achieve a form of solace when I mimick the behavioral traits of trolls. I'm actually a nice guy, oddly enough...

>> ^poolcleaner:

>> ^FlowersInHisHair:
Haha, I know. I don't normally say things like that, and actually I guess the dog has to learn what the fence is for! I know there's no cruelty there. But it does look bad.

poop in your hair

Why? I admitted I was wrong. No fair!

>> ^FlowersInHisHair:

Haha, I know. I don't normally say things like that, and actually I guess the dog has to learn what the fence is for! I know there's no cruelty there. But it does look bad.


poop in your hair