HA! I remember when that happened. That tire was really "attached" to that car in more ways than one

Perhaps not, but we don’t live in a free society, nor a responsibility free society.

The effects are not low. The difference in cost of a serious car crash with and without seatbelts is in the hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars.

Again, because you can be “at fault” through no fault of your own, and responsible for all injuries the other driver suffers, it’s not just smart but the only responsible move to be forced to wear them and minimize the shared risk.
It’s 100% unfair for the other driver to be allowed to take the high risk of not wearing it but you have to pay for the consequences of their irresponsibility….don’t you think?
The difference here as opposed to, say, obesity is the risk/consequences of the irresponsibly transfer to others regularly and often completely (at least financially).

If not wearing it was an automatic waiver for any and all bodily injury damages, fine, but it isn’t so being forced to wear it is the only sane and rational move. Because that choice can turn a no damage bump into injuries requiring life long care

I'm having a hard time imagining the case where wearing a seat belt is going to make you have better control of your car after a collision.

Your moral case, for wearing a seatbelt, while personally compelling, doesn't mean the government should be controlling that activity for individuals. Being selfish is usually not a crime.

There is shared risk if you look deep enough in all activities that people engage in throughout their lives. Newtboy's assertion that these types of activities should be regulated because of their knock-on effects doesn't seem practical in a "free" society.

The reason I don't understand why this is a law is because the affects to society are so low and are similar to many other unregulated choices people are allowed to make. The inconsistency is painful.

In this case I don't think it's just cash for cops.

As far as I know most western countries have laws against it and if nothing else that's normalised it. If I'm not wearing a belt in a front seat I feel really weird. I haven't quite got to that point sitting in the back, but I hope my son does.

Recently a relative from Russia got into my car and didn't belt up and I didn't feel comfortable moving until I reminded her. She just wasn't in the habit. Last time I was in Russia I got funny looks every time I belted up, which has the opposite effect: normalising not wearing it.

Wearing a belt is good. The more it can be normalised the better.

If those people could sign waivers refusing any medical care they don’t pre pay for, waiving any physical damages if they aren’t at fault (I shouldn’t have to pay for your preventable injuries just because we crashed) and hospitals honor those waivers…just a dot on your license that says if your wallet is empty you agree to be a live organ donor…I’d agree.
Since that’s not the case and as often as not the paying public ends up footing the bill in one way or another for the irresponsible behavior like not wearing a seat belt, mandating seat belt usage seems 100% reasonable.
Also, since most learning/teaching is by example, it’s near child abuse to not wear it with kids in the car. Akin to shooting drugs or playing Russian roulette in front of them….taking a deadly risk for no purpose.

Seat belts will better help keep you in control of your vehicle after a collision. If your car rolls over or you go sideways into a tree it helps keep you from back, head and neck injuries which could leave you with pain and mobility issues long after the crash. I also see it as being very selfish to your family and loved ones who potentially may have to care for you if you survive, in which case you will be very annoyed and annoying.

It should be mandated by government because some people think they are the best drivers ever.

Does any of your family members drive the disabled alarm car?

Those alarms can be disabled. I always disable them on my cars so it doesn't annoy me when I don't want to wear my seatbelt.

Seatbelt laws are very strange to me. I think the law should only be that you can get a ticket if you don't force your children to wear a seatbelt. Forcing adults to wear them does nothing for public safety, it's a personal safety issue which shouldn't be mandated by the government.

I'm surprised the cops didn't refer the guy to mental services. This guy definitely has control issues and it would be worth it for his family to have him checked out and get help if he needed it.

Aaaahahahaha!!!!
What utter fan boy nonsense.
Tesla is poised to sell 10 billion humanoid robots!?! 😂
Tesla is going to outlast the big auto manufacturers!?! 😂

They still haven’t been capable of producing their pickup truck, Ford has.
Their semi truck has horrific range and capacity issues.
Tesla can’t sell the cars they’re making. They are no where near capacity or even profitability at their factories and are cutting production because they can’t sell their inventory even with major discounts.
Tesla build quality is not up to industry standards, and Teslas don’t hold their value on par with other EVs.


Q Bob- why are you still hyping Tesla when you claim you sold all yours when it crashed? Was that a lie? 🤦‍♂️

My 2 current cars (and a few others before them) set off the alarms like crazy just a few seconds when I drive without wearing the seat beat. The front passenger seat also behaves the same if significant weight is detected on it. I thought it's probably regulated to be so for at least over a decade or two in Canada. Isn't it so in the States?

Easy to do with RC. The difference between enough throttle to move and way too much is minuscule…or at least was when I had RC cars.

I actually expected the bigger car to just drive right over it and fall off.

I can't wait until the day where the world comes to its senses and gives a big "F off" to charging stations and use the swapping battery tech that some manufacturers in China is trying to implement. It'll be as easy and quick as what we do filling up a tank now. Maybe even faster and you don't even have to get off your car with the advent of robotics.



https://www.wired.com/story/china-ev-infrastructure-charging/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-24/battery-swapping-for-evs-is-big-in-china-here-s-how-it-works?leadSource=uverify%20wall

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a33670482/nio-swappable-batteries-lease/

ROTFLMFAHS!
The numbers are what they are. Sales down. Prices down. Profits down. Value down. Demand down. Monopoly gone.
Grows at 45%??? Only if you start from the years when it was worth absolutely nothing. Last year they lost over 51% of their value, in the last 18 months they lost even more than 60%, and every metric of future success is looking bad for them today.

A few years ago they had almost 100% of the ev market, with better options just now coming on the market they are already at 50% and are in a market share freefall.

Like I mentioned, Forbes economists all expect further TESLA stock decline, one expects it to reach $25 a share, but you know better. (If profits hold, I say $50 is realistic).

You again pretend you didn’t know that the big 3 spent tens of billions tooling up for ev production lowering their profits while Tesla has drastically slowed expansion (boosting profits) since they can already produce more than twice what they can sell and because their operating capitol has evaporated…and still their profits are shrinking like a shrinkydink in a volcano. 11% buddy. Down to 11% profit margin AND SHRINKING.

Are you saying Tesla stock hasn’t tanked?!? WTF?!? Really, I’ve got to hear this.

Lowered prices why? Because they can’t sell the cars they built. Duh. Also because the large government rebates are ending, making the cars COST more for customers without a price change. You blame covid (which you say isn’t real) but Covid isn’t hurting other manufacturers like Tesla.
I’ve seen plenty of F150 ev’s around…but still no Tesla truck. I see more ev’s on the road from every OTHER manufacturer daily, but the number of Teslas I see has plateaued. I’m in Cali, so I see plenty of ev’s.

Derp. I said clearly I called the TESLA STOCK crash. I told you it was insanely overvalued with a PE near 200. I did not say the stock market would crash, although I did expect a recession late 2020 possibly becoming a depression in 21…Biden’s leadership avoided that. 😂 Your damaged brain can’t stay on topic for two seconds. Jeebus.
The market isn’t tanking, my investments have done well for the last two years…unlike under Trump when I lost money….hand over fist in 2020. But I didn’t put every dime I had in one insanely overpriced inflated bubble stock like you claim you did….of course the economy looks shitty, your stupid investment strategy guaranteed you would lose your shirt.

Truth is, yet again, you can’t follow a short conversation without bending yourself in pretzels and changing subjects. That’s ok, I don’t write these for you. You aren’t capable of comprehension. That’s quite clear.

LOL. So I made a point to you, there is no one so uninformed. Nor is there another so devoid of knowledge and facts than yourself.

It’s a FACT they are still losing major market share at rates other car companies aren’t…in fact others are gaining.
It’s a FACT they lowered prices 6 times now, and continue to drop in sales.
It’s a FACT that now that they have competition, they aren’t in demand and don’t hold their value like the competition does.
It’s a FACT that I called the crash before it happened while you were telling people to buy all in at over $400 per share, and I continued to warn it was insanely overpriced and a bubble waiting to pop….I was 100% correct. Economists expect it to continue to fall, Forbes indicates it may well be headed for $25 a share, definitely still falling.

I must follow Tesla better than you, because my predictions have come to pass and yours were all fantasy that never materialized. I think you listen to Elon, who has proven to be a total disastrous idiot who’s destroyed his own companies, not the tech genius he once appeared to be.
You simply cannot ever admit you were w-w-w-w-wrong. A sign of massive insecurity.

Um…operating margin dropped FROM 19% to 11%. Operating capitol dropped even more. Price drops aren’t improving slumped sales. Massive recalls are not only making customers unhappy, they are turning off new customers. Poor construction is not up to industry standards and new non Teslas are. Drivers assist has just been convicted on a $3 million injury/damage claim (with more in the pipeline while other companies roll out theirs.
Worst of all is Elon himself, who decided to become a public personality figure, exposing his far right politics to his left leaning customer base, his willingness to take any government handout while decrying them at every turn, his unbelievably bad business sense, his douchbaggyness and constant hypocrisy, and his penchant to pretend his best case scenario is a guaranteed future. He, more than any two factors combined, is responsible for the slump in sales and crash of Tesla and Twitter.

You blame the 2020 economy, but every other ev manufacturer is doing much better. You say they made 420000 cars q1 23…maybe true, but what good are they when they only sold 181,000. Making all those poorly constructed cars comes at a major loss. Derp.

ROTFLMFAHS!!
Tesla lost another 10% on Thursday…$51 billion in value…far more than other car companies….what are you going to blame for that?
6th price cut on cars this year.
Not competitive on the used car market either, other ev’s hold their value better.