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Ya, my friend and I were war gaming about this the other day, running things out to their logical limits. I have no doubt that the spending we did during the cold war most likely kept us safer then not spending it. However, it seems the when one nation finally "looses" and can't afford to keep up the game anymore, the power structure on the other side can't ever dislodge itself. The result is the spending that wasn't meant to last forever does, and the self destruction of that nation is destined as well.

In other words, the rise of two super powers means the eventual fall of two. It is a form of entropy related to the unstable condition they educe in each other. It might very well be that the cost of long term success is eventual failure; that all systems, no matter how good, if they intend to survive will end up imploding. It was kind of a neat topic

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Defense contractors get public money
Defense contractors buy political influence
Political influence puts more public money into Defense Contractors' hands
Defense contractors buy political influence
Political influence puts more public money into Defense Contractors' hands
Defense contractors buy political influence
Political influence puts more public money into Defense Contractors' hands
Defense contractors buy political influence
Political influence puts more public money into Defense Contractors' hands

And so on. That's why our military spending is outrageously inefficient and excessive, and we keep fighting wars that are irrelevant or counterproductive to our national security. No-bid contracts and cost-plus contracts should be explicitly forbidden by the constitution. The military should stop privatizing essential components of their operation and paying orders of magnitude more than it would cost to do in-house.

>> ^rougy:
"America" is not addicted to war.
The war profiteers and the Pentagon pricks who kiss their ass, they are addicted to war.

And these profiteers and Pentagon pricks run America. They are America. Not the people. It doesn't matter who you vote for; it doesn't change a goddamn thing.

>> ^brycewi19:
I think he made that speech on 12/1/09 instead of 1/12/09. Bush still had 8 days left in his presidency on January 12th.


Ahh.. that'd be my Australian date formatting. I'll make that easier to read.

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>> ^Fade:
Yea yea yea, the problem is that without 'War' America has no economy. America is as addicted to war as it is to oil and cheap credit.


I wouldn't put it like that but yeah, America needs war just like Rome did.

>> ^gwiz665:
How'd District 9 do..?


Illegal aliens don't count.

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:
The numbers he's reading are of people who died because they didn't have access to healthcare.
In the US there is no such thing of people who have 'no access' to medical care. If you walk in to a clinic or a hospital, you get treated. And if you don't have money, you get the treatment gratis. To imply they wouldn't have died "if only" they had government subsidized insurance is beyond inaccurate. It is disingenous, manipulative propoganda of the worst sort. If that's his reasoning then Mr. Doofus is a rhetorical graverobber digging up corpses to parade around for political purposes. What a ghoul.

There are other causes of death out there than what a simple visit to an ER can cure.

How did you get to a point that when someone states the fact that people die due to lack of medical care, he gets dubbed a "graverobber" and a "ghoul", but when a company denies health coverage due to absurd preexisting conditions, they're considered model businessmen?

>> ^handmethekeysyou:
Also, anyone feel that watching congress is like watching a 10 year old boys' club, where they're just making shit up as they go along but pretending like it's legitimate?


Ah the grand system that is Parliamentary Procedure, the greatest way in the world to ensure that everyone who has something important to say can't and to make certain that nothing ever gets done.

>> ^quantumushroom:
Even if this lastest socialist abortion of a health care bill fails--and it better--long after this fat-faced histrionic clown is out of office we'll still already be paying for Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, all of which are out of money and rife with fraud and abuse apparently no one in DC cares about.


Out of money because your "Conservative" heroes have been robbing them blind for decades to pay for everything that can't be paid for because of all those lovely tax cuts for billionaires and corporate America.

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:
What's his point?

The numbers he's reading are of people who died because they didn't have access to healthcare. That is his point.

>> ^handmethekeysyou:
Ohio districts 6, 9, 10, 11, 13, Oklahoma district 2, good fucking job.
Also, anyone feel that watching congress is like watching a 10 year old boys' club, where they're just making shit up as they go along but pretending like it's legitimate?
"The chair has not yet conferred recognition for that demand. Accordingly, there being no question pending before the house, the chair declares the house in recess, subject to the call of the chair, pursuant to clause 12A of rule 1."
He says it with pseudo-authority and looks around in a way like he's really hoping nobody calls him on having just made up the clause, the rule, and basically this entire branch of the government.


"Alan: Ohio district 14..."

District 14: Hey! Shut up!

"Alan: No! You Shut up!"

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Ohio districts 6, 9, 10, 11, 13, Oklahoma district 2, good fucking job.

Also, anyone feel that watching congress is like watching a 10 year old boys' club, where they're just making shit up as they go along but pretending like it's legitimate?

"The chair has not yet conferred recognition for that demand. Accordingly, there being no question pending before the house, the chair declares the house in recess, subject to the call of the chair, pursuant to clause 12A of rule 1."

He says it with pseudo-authority and looks around in a way like he's really hoping nobody calls him on having just made up the clause, the rule, and basically this entire branch of the government.


"Alan: Ohio district 14..."

District 14: Hey! Shut up!

"Alan: No! You Shut up!"

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can i douche this post if you don't mind.
Read this ^ link, alan grayson tells the story, story is better than the raw video IMHO.

>> ^blankfist:
Does this mean you're now against nation-building, NR?

What do you mean "now"?

I grew up hating the way the US treated other countries like chess pieces in a grand game with the Soviet Union. I certainly didn't like the Iraq war, and I'm not particularly clear on what our endgame is supposed to be in Afghanistan, though it appears neither Bush nor Obama are all that clear on that subject either.

My foreign policy preference is a lot closer to "leave people alone" than "invade and destroy other nations and set up pro-American puppet governments" as we have done so often in our recent past.