George.... You know nothing about evolution do you?

I like him, but he's really not smart enough for that role. Texting does not provide a significant enough evolutionary advantage to change the species in 300 years. Probably it doesn't provide enough advantage to change the species in a million years. If anything there's probably natural selection AWAY from texters. I know I find women hunched over their phones texting away unattractive.

I know it's a joke... but evolution does not work that way! Goodnight!

Can't stop cash, it is funny how something that is still completely as possible as it was 300 years ago is so far from peoples minds that an "E-payment" shut down means your out of business. Well, in my day.....(something about phone books and VCRS).

A cute story and all, but a person who thinks god spoke to him and that he will live to be 300 years old should not represent anyone except perhaps the folks at the insane assylum, or perhaps the vatican

This has some very interesting parallels with legends like vampires. Mysterious illness caused by a predatory and dangerous mystical creature that attacks when no one is watching. The difference is you don't just kill it, you must also consume it to take back what it stole.

Who knows, maybe in 300 years these guys will be writing novels about sorcerers that sparkle in daylight and "eat" easily impressed female teens...

Oh boy, you have been "educated" on the bible, havent you. Too bad its all wrong.


Atheist error #1Translation upon translation has corrupted the original bible so now we don't know what it actually said
The truth: Today there survives more than 25,000 partial and complete, ancient handwritten manuscript copies of the New Testament alone, not to mention hundreds of Old Testament manuscripts that survive today dating back to as early as the third century B.C. These hand written manuscripts have allowed scholars and textual critics to go back and verify that the Bible we have in our possession today is the same Bible that the early church possessed 2,000 years ago.

This isnt really relevant, the bible could be the most accurately translated book of all time, and I'd still be an atheist.(its not, but I dont really care)

Atheist error #2 The bible is only confirmed by the bible, there is no outside external verification
The truth: There are over 39 sources outside of the Bible that attest to more than 100 facts regarding Jesus’ life, teachings, crucifixion, and resurrection. External sources verify that at least 80 persons from the bible were actual historical figures, 50 people from the Old Testament and 30 people from the New Testament. This includes Pontius Pilate, Caiaphas the High priest, and King David.


Again, not really relevant. The bible, along with the outside sources, were all written by superstitious desertdwellers some 2000 years ago, who gives a shit if these sources confirm eachother. Most of it confirms things like historical facts (Names of kings, major events , who lived where, and so on) None of it confirms the truth of any of the metaphysical claims, so at best, the bible is historically accurate(again, its not, but this is a long discussion)

Atheist error #3 The bible is unscientific
The truth: The bible contains no scientific errors. In fact, it reveals a number of facts about the Universe that simply were not known at the time. For instance, the bible states that the Sun is on a circuit through space, yet scientists at the time thought it was stationary. Even more amazing, the bible states the Earth is round when everyone else thought it was flat:
Isaiah 40:22 says, “It is He [God] who sits above the circle of the Earth." Job also talked about the earth being round.
This was 300 years before aristotle. The bible was over 2000 years ahead of its time. It was also widely thought at the time that the Earth was carried on the back of something else, like a turtle or the greek god Atlas. The bible taught the truth: Job 26:7 “He [God] hangs the Earth on nothing.” Scientists did not discover that the Earth hangs on nothing until 1650.
Another amazing fact that the bible uncovered far before man discovered the facts is that the number of stars is as the sand in sea.
Jeremiah 33:22 “The host of heaven [a reference to the stars] cannot be numbered, nor the sand of the sea measured.”
Before the telescope was invented, man was able to number the stars. The count was usually just over 1000. That was the prevailing scientific knowledge until the telescope was invented. The bible revealed though that there were more stars than anyone could count.

Oh boy.. Where to start here... Only a really religiously distorted mind could write this nonsense.

And nonsense like it has been written to "confirm" the accuracy of other holy texts as well. I was hit with a list of "facts" from the Quran much like this in a discussion once, one such "fact" was some nonsense about the "mountains securing the firmaments of the earth" was somehow confirmed by modern Plate-tectonics. I wonder whether you religious nuts can see through eachothers claims, can you see for instance, whats wrong with that Quran-argument, or does that seem reasonable to you? If not, why do the above arguments from the bible about god "hanging the earth in its place" seem like good decriptions of astronomical fact?

Atheist error #4 The history of the bible is made up, it is just mythology
The truth: In every instance where the Bible can be, or has been checked out archaeologically, it has been found to be 100% accurate.

Wow, thats almost 100% inaccurate. Israeli archiologists have, with great religious entusiasm and eagerness, for decades tried to document the 40-year travel through the desert from Egypt that the Jews are said to have done. One of the most famous bible stories, and, one would think, one of the best candidates to be proven true by archeology, yet they have all come up empty handed. It is, for all intends and purposes, as if it never happened.

Well written, but still factually biased. I don't dispute it takes a certain amount of faith to believe in something, but saying it takes more faith to believe in science over a religion is laughable, seeing as how most scientific processes can be duplicated in a lab, and the only time people see the immaculately concepted Jesus is in stale bread.

Calling them "errors" is an error, if you cant prove it so...

I don't even want to get started with your "#2" ...but I will touch on it:

"It is He [God] who sits above the circle of the Earth." Job also talked about the earth being round."
You mean to tell me that it wasn't the sun he probably was referring to? It is a very vague statement, loosely translated. I mean, wasn't the voyage of Christopher Columbus nearly defunded by the Queen of Spain due to the fact most of the Catholics believed the earth was flat? How could they possibly misinterpret such a factual document as the Bible then but not now, or at any other time?

#3 is also a gross interpretation of the bibles factuality, the closest thing people had to a science was alchemy if I'm mistaken, and there is a reason we don't teach Alchemy 101 these days. It was full of holes where we as a species didn't have an understanding of our own surroundings. Take beer brewing for example, even the German purity laws had to be amended to allow yeast as a viable and lawful ingredient to beer because the humans of the past flat out didn't understand or fathom its use/need in the brewing process because it had been introduced naturally to the unaware brewers since beer has been around. <-Thank you science, not the all knowing bible. External sources are just as unreliable then as they are now, if not more so, smart people expect some credibility, and aren't the type to blindly accept.
#4 "The history of the bible is made up, it is just mythology"
Most people don't dispute the correlation of events in the bible to that of actual history, its just obvious that either initially or over the years, the truth was embellished to that of an Aesop fable. The bible was meant to instill fear into the hearts of what are supposed to be "god fearing" people, what better way then writing about a hellish environment and 30 ft tall giants? (wait, was that part real, or no?) Oh and Nelson Glueck wrote that quote? Impressive... unless you consider the thousands of other scientists that have a slightly different opinion on the matter...

But I guess you can laugh at me while I burn in hell (decompose) and you are in heaven (decomposing) It would make much more sense if people would accept the fact that "God" no matter how you look at it, is just a manifestation of our own self righteousness as a species? That being said, please think "peace" and I to wish all of us a hearty blessing from "God."



>> ^shinyblurry:

It takes more faith to be an atheist than it does to be a Christian. I'll point out some common errors and misconceptions that atheists have.
Atheist error #1 Translation upon translation has corrupted the original bible so now we don't know what it actually said
The truth: Today there survives more than 25,000 partial and complete, ancient handwritten manuscript copies of the New Testament alone, not to mention hundreds of Old Testament manuscripts that survive today dating back to as early as the third century B.C. These hand written manuscripts have allowed scholars and textual critics to go back and verify that the Bible we have in our possession today is the same Bible that the early church possessed 2,000 years ago.

Atheist error #2 The bible is only confirmed by the bible, there is no outside external verification
The truth: There are over 39 sources outside of the Bible that attest to more than 100 facts regarding Jesus’ life, teachings, crucifixion, and resurrection. External sources verify that at least 80 persons from the bible were actual historical figures, 50 people from the Old Testament and 30 people from the New Testament. This includes Pontius Pilate, Caiaphas the High priest, and King David.
Atheist error #3 The bible is unscientific
The truth: The bible contains no scientific errors. In fact, it reveals a number of facts about the Universe that simply were not known at the time. For instance, the bible states that the Sun is on a circuit through space, yet scientists at the time thought it was stationary. Even more amazing, the bible states the Earth is round when everyone else thought it was flat:
Isaiah 40:22 says, “It is He [God] who sits above the circle of the Earth." Job also talked about the earth being round.
This was 300 years before aristotle. The bible was over 2000 years ahead of its time. It was also widely thought at the time that the Earth was carried on the back of something else, like a turtle or the greek god Atlas. The bible taught the truth: Job 26:7 “He [God] hangs the Earth on nothing.” Scientists did not discover that the Earth hangs on nothing until 1650.
Another amazing fact that the bible uncovered far before man discovered the facts is that the number of stars is as the sand in sea.
Jeremiah 33:22 “The host of heaven [a reference to the stars] cannot be numbered, nor the sand of the sea measured.”
Before the telescope was invented, man was able to number the stars. The count was usually just over 1000. That was the prevailing scientific knowledge until the telescope was invented. The bible revealed though that there were more stars than anyone could count.
Atheist error #4 The history of the bible is made up, it is just mythology
The truth: In every instance where the Bible can be, or has been checked out archaeologically, it has been found to be 100% accurate. The Bible has proven so accurate that archaeologists often refer to it as a reliable guide when they go to dig in new areas.
Nelson Glueck, who appeared on the cover of Time magazine and who is considered one of the greatest archaeologists ever, wrote: “No archeological discovery has ever controverted [overturned] a Biblical reference. Scores of archeological findings have been made which confirm in clear outline or in exact detail historical statements in the Bible. And, by the same token, proper evaluation of Biblical descriptions has often led to amazing discoveries.”
The fact is there have been more than 25,000 discoveries within the region known as the "Bible Lands” that have confirmed the truthfulness of the Bible.
So there are just some of the common misconceptions atheists have concerning the bible. If you had any of these misconceptions then I venture that you must re-evaluate your position. God bless.


*Edited punctuation at 23:40 5/2/2011

It takes more faith to be an atheist than it does to be a Christian. I'll point out some common errors and misconceptions that atheists have.

Atheist error #1 Translation upon translation has corrupted the original bible so now we don't know what it actually said

The truth: Today there survives more than 25,000 partial and complete, ancient handwritten manuscript copies of the New Testament alone, not to mention hundreds of Old Testament manuscripts that survive today dating back to as early as the third century B.C. These hand written manuscripts have allowed scholars and textual critics to go back and verify that the Bible we have in our possession today is the same Bible that the early church possessed 2,000 years ago.


Atheist error #2 The bible is only confirmed by the bible, there is no outside external verification

The truth: There are over 39 sources outside of the Bible that attest to more than 100 facts regarding Jesus’ life, teachings, crucifixion, and resurrection. External sources verify that at least 80 persons from the bible were actual historical figures, 50 people from the Old Testament and 30 people from the New Testament. This includes Pontius Pilate, Caiaphas the High priest, and King David.

Atheist error #3 The bible is unscientific

The truth: The bible contains no scientific errors. In fact, it reveals a number of facts about the Universe that simply were not known at the time. For instance, the bible states that the Sun is on a circuit through space, yet scientists at the time thought it was stationary. Even more amazing, the bible states the Earth is round when everyone else thought it was flat:

Isaiah 40:22 says, “It is He [God] who sits above the circle of the Earth." Job also talked about the earth being round.

This was 300 years before aristotle. The bible was over 2000 years ahead of its time. It was also widely thought at the time that the Earth was carried on the back of something else, like a turtle or the greek god Atlas. The bible taught the truth: Job 26:7 “He [God] hangs the Earth on nothing.” Scientists did not discover that the Earth hangs on nothing until 1650.

Another amazing fact that the bible uncovered far before man discovered the facts is that the number of stars is as the sand in sea.

Jeremiah 33:22 “The host of heaven [a reference to the stars] cannot be numbered, nor the sand of the sea measured.”

Before the telescope was invented, man was able to number the stars. The count was usually just over 1000. That was the prevailing scientific knowledge until the telescope was invented. The bible revealed though that there were more stars than anyone could count.

Atheist error #4 The history of the bible is made up, it is just mythology

The truth: In every instance where the Bible can be, or has been checked out archaeologically, it has been found to be 100% accurate. The Bible has proven so accurate that archaeologists often refer to it as a reliable guide when they go to dig in new areas.

Nelson Glueck, who appeared on the cover of Time magazine and who is considered one of the greatest archaeologists ever, wrote: “No archeological discovery has ever controverted [overturned] a Biblical reference. Scores of archeological findings have been made which confirm in clear outline or in exact detail historical statements in the Bible. And, by the same token, proper evaluation of Biblical descriptions has often led to amazing discoveries.”

The fact is there have been more than 25,000 discoveries within the region known as the "Bible Lands” that have confirmed the truthfulness of the Bible.

So there are just some of the common misconceptions atheists have concerning the bible. If you had any of these misconceptions then I venture that you must re-evaluate your position. God bless.

>> ^skinnydaddy1:

>> ^SveNitoR:
>> ^skinnydaddy1:
Also, I like bikes but Hate bicyclists and not to sound 2 much like an ass but 10 mins on a bus or train and I end up wanting to set fire to everyone around me.
Not too much of a people person, are you?

No, I just happen to always end up sitting next to the people who end up having a psychotic episode or feel the need to put cologne or perfume on by the gallon. Or feel the need to explain how they and only they know how to solve all the worlds problems. I do get funny looks when I explain how I would solve it all.
"Nuke it from orbit, Its the only way to be sure."


Haha, you remind me of a good friend of mine.

>> ^SveNitoR:

>> ^skinnydaddy1:
Also, I like bikes but Hate bicyclists and not to sound 2 much like an ass but 10 mins on a bus or train and I end up wanting to set fire to everyone around me.
Not too much of a people person, are you?


No, I just happen to always end up sitting next to the people who end up having a psychotic episode or feel the need to put cologne or perfume on by the gallon. Or feel the need to explain how they and only they know how to solve all the worlds problems. I do get funny looks when I explain how I would solve it all.
"Nuke it from orbit, Its the only way to be sure."

>> ^skinnydaddy1:

Also, I like bikes but Hate bicyclists and not to sound 2 much like an ass but 10 mins on a bus or train and I end up wanting to set fire to everyone around me.

Not too much of a people person, are you?

>> ^Payback:

Give up inefficient gas-powered cars???????
You can have my classic Mustang when you pry it from my cold, dead garage.
No seriously, I blew the engine a couple years ago, now it's just rotting back there. It's sad really.


It's a Mustang. No huge loss.

>> ^bobknight33:
When something better that oil comes along then the world will change.
Is there a tag for BS?


So let's just cross our fingers and hope for the best?

Unfortunately if that doesn't work and we just carry on, we're done. The environment won't get a chance to finish us off, war over dwindling energy resources will take care of that.

Your video, 300 years of fossil-fueled addiction in 5 minutes, has made it into the Top 15 New Videos listing. Congratulations on your achievement. For your contribution you have been awarded 1 Power Point.

>> ^blankfist:

@NetRunner, @marinara
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism
Liberalism is libertarianism (with a small "L"). It's always meant the same.

Where on that page does it say classical liberalism and libertarianism are one and the same forever and always? Why is there a separate page for libertarianism?

Have you read the Classical Liberalism wikipedia page you just linked? How about just the first paragraph? Clicked on some of the links? Click on the link for utilitarianism, does that sound like libertarianism, or something a little more like what you don't like about liberalism?

>> ^blankfist:
I'm not making this shit up. Now, because the term 'liberal' has been coopted by both Dems and Repubs, liberalism is now known as classic liberalism, and progressives are now known as modern liberals.

The only thing true here is that you, personally, aren't making this up. It's because there's disagreement between modern liberals about who's staying more true to "classical liberalism" that makes us have to develop separate nomenclature. Personally, I'm not too worried about whether the philosophy I believe in exactly matches what someone came up with in the 17th century. I don't think philosophers conclusively settled all modern arguments about morality and the proper role of the state over 300 years ago.

For example, to really burnish my nerd-cred, the specific thing this not-DeLancie Q is talking about is wanting to commit suicide. John Locke, classical liberal, says that's not his right to do because John Locke doesn't believe in self-ownership, and thinks in fact that people's bodies, minds, and souls are the property of God, so we shouldn't do things like kill ourselves.

>> ^blankfist:
[Liberals] tend to believe in the greater good comes before the individual which is classic collectivism vs. individualism.

Now you're showing your ignorance of classical liberalism. Click the link for utilitarianism. Read John Stuart Mill. Hell, even just read the links from my previous post.

Just educate yourself for once, rather than lashing out at us like we're monsters.

>> ^blankfist:
This is all history. This isn't some Daily Kos, Glenn Beck or whatever else partisan talking point.

Yes, it is history, and you're the one preaching a Glenn Beck vision of liberalism at me. Stop being partisan and listen to what I'm trying to tell you for once.

I'm trying to explain to you what liberalism really is, not what Mises, Reason, and CATO want you to think liberalism is.

Also gingers.
>> ^KnivesOut:

>> ^fjules:
>anime
>art
AHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHA, oh my god lol!
I bet you also think vidya games is art and listen to anime soundtracks when driving your car...oh man

It's even funnier!! Seriously, it is!
>> ^KnivesOut:
Whether anime is shit or not isn't the point.
"Rap music is a prime example that 300 years of mistreatment, slavery, segregation, and abuse wasn't enough."
What would your response be then, anime-haters?


I bet you think Chinese people drive poorly and are good at math, Jew's are tight with their money, and the black's can't be trusted with the white women.
Again, for the especially slow and simple (fjules) this isn't about hating on Anime, it's about being a bigot. Apparently it's OK to be racist against the Japanese.