Kreegath

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A little about me...
Humanity speaks in many languages, but only one voice. The language is not English, French, Spanish, Hebrew or Mandarin.
It speaks in the language of hope. It speaks in the language of trust. It speaks in the language of strength, in the language of compassion.

It is the language of the heart and the language of the soul. But always it is the same voice.
It is the voice of our ancestors speaking through us, and the voice of our inheritors waiting to be born. It is the small, still voice that says: We are one.

No matter the blood, no matter the skin, no matter the world, no matter the star; we are one.
No matter the pain, no matter the darkness, no matter the loss, no matter the fear; we are one.

Here, gathered together in common cause, we agree to recognize this singular truth and this singular rule: that we must be kind to one another.
Because each voice enriches us and ennobles us, and each voice lost diminishes us. We are the voice of humanity, the soul of creation; the fire that will light the way to a better future. We are one.

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Krupo says...

No, on birth control I know that's not your position - I was commenting on society in general, not on anything you said.

Your points do make sense; I just hit and run there as I didn't feel like wading into the details b/c it's not especially productive when people get too emotional (c.f. alt.abortion), so I just chucked my 2 cents in and wandered off.

I totally understand the horror of stillborns, though. The idea I imagine Lurch would've been getting at, though, is that if the baby is still in the womb, it'll move past that stage. If it's out early, well, medical disasters happen to people at all stages in life, and if you're out of the womb prematurely, you're dead. Of course, though you're not fully formed and independent, assuming no interference or medical problems you're on track to be have a full life with a few weeks/months time.

Aside from the tragedy of miscarriages, which is often unavoidable, I was just lamenting the avoidable tragedy of 'unnecessary' abortions.

It's an unfortunate shame the issue gets clouded with super-charged ultra-emotional arguments (Don't take away my choice! Don't kill babies!) rather than what's best for women, kids, families and society in general. <sigh>

In reply to this comment by Kreegath:
I never said that abortion is justified as a form of birth control (like how it's done in China) though, did I? I'm saying that there are cases when it is justified, and that while it's very very easy to take the position Lurch takes, it's also very very irresponsible and shortsighted in that he simply ignores the problem that arises from someone that is for any reason or another unable to raise a child, in an environment unfit to raise it in.
Also, I did take offense when Lurch blurted his "I can't agree that a critical part of being a parent is to kill your child", an extremely ofending remark in anyone's ear which I'm sure he was completely aware of when writing it. That's clearly not what's been written in opposition to his own (in my opinion) immature views, and I was tempted to reply to his flame bait that he must be a sadist that hates children because of his contempted views on sentencing unwanted fetuses to a lifetime of torture.
In closing, Lurch's blatant ignoring of the fact that regardless if there's a law against abortion, women will (as they've done for thousands of years) try and preform the abortion on their own.

To build on what I wrote earlier about my brother's work as a nurse, they're actually not allowed to try and save fetuses born earlier than the 23rd week of pregnancy. They've got no working organs, no immune system and no awareness. So even if the survival rate were 1%, both the life quality and quantity of that fetus would be so immensly reduced by the early birth, the terrible prize the other 99% would pay in deaths by infections (they have no immune system, meaning any bacteria will ravage them horribly), not to mention the surviving fetus would life a very short life in great suffering. However, according to Lurch that's irrelevant and they're all child killers.

In reply to this comment by Krupo:
Kreegath, leaving all the extreme scenarios out of the picture, I think we can all agree that something abortion should not be used for is birth control for "inconvient" pregnancies. One would hope people could just wait a little longer and share the life with a childless couple in an endless adoption queue...

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