it sounds simple, but I believe gorgonieap would object, and even I can think of things that would fit in geek but not really engineering. I think the community will define things.

In any case, I am likely to be very inclusive about what fits in engineering.

In reply to this comment by CaptWillard:
How about this simple analysis: All engineering is geek, but not all geek is engineering. That is, engineering is a subset of geek. Kind of like all rocknroll is music, but not all music is rocknroll. Too simplistic? Or am I making much ado about nothing?

In reply to this comment by oxdottir:
Well, I'm ok with a little chaos.

To me, geek is a cultural thing, and engineering can be everything from engineering ethics, to math applications, to gadgets. If something is about how to produce something, or how a design failed, it might not be geek. For instance, the first page of engineering has almost no geek, because it's about stuff like how to do sound engineering, how to put a himi in a trike, how to demolish, or fail to demolish, a building.

It's harder for me to think of things that would be geek but not engineering, but you came up with an example.

Well the supreme authority of what Geek means (Miriam Webster dictionary: 1: a carnival performer often billed as a wild man whose act usually includes biting the head off a live chicken, bat or snake 2: a person often of an intellectual bent who is disliked 3: an enthusiast or expert especially in a technological field or activity". There is quite an overlap between the two channels.

engineering covers a wide range (computers, mechanics, architecture.) And Geek covers many overlapping fields (computers, mechanics, LARP fest.) I'll talk to the pastry looking owner of sifts newest channel.

Regards!

In reply to this comment by CaptWillard:
I just sent this message to oxdottir, and I feel it's appropriate for you to know too. Nothing controversial, mind you. I only want some clarification.

Wow, in a couple of short days the Engineering channel has over 16 pages of videos. Of course I realize that many people, just like me, reviewed all their videos and retroactively applied the Engineering tag, but that's still very impressive. I've always thought that the "Geek" channel was too broad. However, could you tell me when something is Geek and NOT Engineering, or the other way around, or both? To me, "Geek" ALWAYS means enthusiast of some sort or another. For example, there are comic book "geeks", but that has nothing to do with engineering. However computer design is both geek AND engineering. Can you name examples of anything that is Engineering but NOT Geek, besides what I already mentioned?

In other words, I'm a little confused. Maybe a Venn diagram would help. Gorgonheap is the maestro of the Geek channel; maybe you and he need to draw up a Sift Talk post that clearly defines what both defines and delineates your channels. I would appreciate it.

I hope I'm not coming across as an anal-retentive anus. I only want to be precise in my channel assignments.

Thanks in advance.

Your first choice was.... Feingold? Edwards? Both in that order?

In reply to this comment by CaptWillard:
>> ^BillOreilly:
snore
Thanks Barack, but I don't need a history lesson from an ex-lawyer with a wackjob pastor. Maybe next time.

Screw you, Bill_O. I may be a young man, but that is the best political speech I've heard in my lifetime, and I bet many other people who are older than me are thinking the same thing too. Even some conservatives have openly expressed how blown away they were by this speech. And he wrote it all by himself. Here at VS you can turn a good phrase from time to time, but can you do what he did?

I'm an Obama supporter, but I'm not an Obamatron mindlessly chanting "Obama! Obama!" He wasn't even my first choice in the Democratic field. Still, there's no denying that the man is smart, and also a great speaker. How many major politicians these days write their own speeches? A team of the best speechwriters in this country could not have delivered on the goods half as well as Obama did, because he drew from his own experiences when creating this speech, and that was a big part of its beauty.

Wake me up when you have a fraction of the talent that Obama does. *snore*

Well, I'm ok with a little chaos.

To me, geek is a cultural thing, and engineering can be everything from engineering ethics, to math applications, to gadgets. If something is about how to produce something, or how a design failed, it might not be geek. For instance, the first page of engineering has almost no geek, because it's about stuff like how to do sound engineering, how to put a himi in a trike, how to demolish, or fail to demolish, a building.

It's harder for me to think of things that would be geek but not engineering, but you came up with an example.


In reply to this comment by CaptWillard:
Wow, in a couple of short days the Engineering channel has over 16 pages of videos. Of course I realize that many people, just like me, reviewed all their videos and retroactively applied the Engineering tag, but that's still very impressive. I've always thought that the "Geek" channel was too broad. However, could you tell me when something is Geek and NOT Engineering, or the other way around, or both? To me, "Geek" ALWAYS means enthusiast of some sort or another. For example, there are comic book "geeks", but that has nothing to do with engineering. However computer design is both geek AND engineering. Can you name examples of anything that is Engineering but NOT Geek, besides what I already mentioned?

In other words, I'm a little confused. Maybe a Venn diagram would help. Gorgonheap is the maestro of the Geek channel; maybe you and he need to draw up a Sift Talk post that clearly defines what both defines and delineates your channels. I would appreciate it.

I hope I'm not coming across as an anal-retentive anus. I only want to be precise in my channel assignments.

Thanks in advance.

I hang my head in shame. you are correct.

In reply to this comment by CaptWillard:
>> ^oxdottir:
Our Australian/SouthAfrican/Brazilian friends are going to be surprised at where north is if they use this method...

Wait, wouldn't it work the same regardless of what hemisphere you're in? The sun moves from East to West in both hemispheres, right? So the shadow produced after waiting 15 minutes would still point East, thus making North the same too. Am I mistaken?

I'm always just coming back from vacation.

Thanks for the heads up. At least I have good taste.



In reply to this comment by CaptWillard:
You must have just come back from vacation, because this is a dupe currently in the Top 5:

http://www.videosift.com/video/I-Guess-Youll-Do

Sorry.

Thanks for getting Roky outa jail, Cap'n!

He's a hunkahunka burnin' seriousness.

In reply to this comment by CaptWillard:
Elvis Serious Cat: Your best/funniest/most ridiculous avatar ever.

I'll birth as many virtual man-babies as you like.

In reply to this comment by CaptWillard:
Holy crap! I step away from the computer for a few hours and you promote TWO of my videos, one of which already sifted. If I wasn't an inveterate heterosexual I'd totally let you father my children. Don't tell Issykitty. It'll be our little secret.

In reply to this comment by dystopianfuturetoday:
*promote

The true story of how gorgonheap lost his virginity can now be told.

I KNEW there was a conspiracy against me. And to think my therapist lied to me and told me that I was paranoid. I better start listening to my dog again, he knew all along.

In reply to this comment by CaptWillard:
It happened when they unveiled VS 3.1. We all held off on telling you just to embarrass you.

In reply to this comment by gorgonheap:
^what?! Seriously why don't people go out of there way to tell me these things. Has it been that way long?

Thanks for the promote, Cap!

In reply to this comment by CaptWillard:
*promote

Ha! Thanks for the assist.

In reply to this comment by CaptWillard:
*cult

LOL

In reply to this comment by CaptWillard:
^My vagina is not embittered, thanks to Summer's Eve.

hahaha the album came out in 2006. Check them out.

In reply to this comment by CaptWillard:
Stone cold! I never even heard of they guys before, probably because this song is older than I am. Good find dude.