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oritteropoI think you'll get a lot out of Jonathan Lyons' book The House of Wisdom (2010).
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If that is your stance, then we only disagree on the degree that the religion has changed. I think it has stayed more true to its roots than you do. Sounds like a good excuse for me to go on a history reading binge
enochfigured i would take this discussion to your page.
in response to this post:kinda,you are close,in the ball park.
the main reason why i injected my opinion in that thread was to add a dynamic that was not being discussed.
i wasnt actually offering a counterpoint but rather adding to the already complicated dynamic.
so i do not think we disagree at all.
one of the reasons islam has not changed much is due to there not being a reformation.this lack of canonization and core central philosophical tenants has left islam to a wide array of problems,many of those problems we see play out everyday on the world stage.
if you going to read any book on islam.i highly recommend reza aslans "no god but god".the entire book is an argument FOR reformation and you may recognize some of the arguments in the book from my commentary.
as always my friend,
a pleasure engaging and discussing with you.
stay awesome.
Edit: I removed a largely unhelpful post I made. I apologise if someone was meaning to reply to it. It would have brought the discussion somewhere I don't really want it to go, and was almost devoid of content despite it's word count.
Instead, having thought a bit more, I think I'm going to try and restate your position to see if I understand it. Watching a few Greenwald interviews helped me to understand it. Please correct me if I'm off base here.
You feel that the current state of the Islamic religion is largely a result of past and current colonialism and interventionism from (mostly) the west. You're saying that we hold a lot of the blame, and that their religion has morphed into it didn't use to be, and has become violent in response to worldly grievances and zeitgeist.
If that is your stance, then we only disagree on the degree that the religion has changed. I think it has stayed more true to its roots than you do. Sounds like a good excuse for me to go on a history reading binge
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lucky760Thanks for upgrading to charter for the very first time and helping to support the Sift after all these years! You're all ready to rock and roll for a whole year!
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