upvote for the use of ergo in conversational dialogue

Wow this boy is popular!

Who the hell let this guy talk? Hmm? Come on Bush administration, you're supposed to be gagging these terrorist hugging communists so we can all sleep badly at night wondering what'll happen if a cowardly demi-crat is in power.

this guy bends words more than a politician. not much point listening to him, it could all be lies, but is interesting to hear all the same.

he reminds me of a bill murray character.

What really worries me about these discussions is not so much the honest debate apperently being held in the US about whether or not torture is morally justifiable or should be allowed, though that in itself is plenty fucking frightening.

What really worries me are the constant references to 24 I keep hearing about in this context. Do people actually believe the stuff that is in that show? Have everyone totally lost any sense they might have had about the concepts of real and make-believe? Are there actually people out there watching 24 going "oh yeah, I can see how that could happen"? Is that really what the world has come to?

Because if it is we need to put some serious thought into removing the warning labels on stuff. You know, weed the population out a bit. 'Cause we are way fucking overdue for a culling of the herd if these are the type of things that people can hold a straight faced debate over.

Lithic, I was shocked too that anyone could take 24 seriously. That was until I saw an interview with an instructor at West point. He found that many of his students thought Jack Bauer's character was heroic, and said they would do "whatever it took" to get information that would save American lives.

Young recruits are often naive, full of patriotic zeal, and eager to go out and prove themselves heroes. That's what makes them so malleable, and it's exactly why we go out and recruit kids directly from high school.

I don't mean any insult to brave young people who want to help their country. But maturity, sound judgment, and empathy really are things that come with age. And we shouldn't let anyone lacking those qualities care for prisoners, or deal with foreign civilians.