That was painful.

Anyone but Obama?

How bout this...McCain quite possibly could have won with....anyone but Palin. McCain honestly wanted to try and unite people....she wants to divide. People who probably weren't going to vote, voted for Obama because they couldn't stand the idea of her being 2nd in command. She drove people....to vote against her.

The reason she gets airtime?? Because she's a farce. People want to find out what stupid thing she's going to say next.

Differences of opinion? Differences in how to lead this country? That's one thing, but when you honestly seem to believe that you're the white hat and the opposition is the black hat, then you've ceased to become part of the solution and have become part of the problem.

Part of the problem? That means people like Sarah Palin get the black hat, and people like you & me get white ones, right?

Just goes to show that the liberal media tries to demonize conservatives.

Seriously though, do you think Sarah Palin will take your advice? Or that anyone who idolizes Sarah Palin would? Do you think telling liberals to stop condemning the immoral actions of conservatives would help solve "the problem"?

This isn't some childish bout of namecalling that just got out of hand. They really mean it when they say liberals aren't real Americans. They really mean it when they say they think they're engaged in a noble battle for freedom against an enemy who is trying to take it away.

I think the non-conservatives really need to wake up to the fact that they're not just saying this stuff to get our goats. They really mean it.
>> ^VoodooV:
That's one thing, but when you honestly seem to believe that you're the white hat and the opposition is the black hat, then you've ceased to become part of the solution and have become part of the problem.

>> ^NetRunner:

Part of the problem? That means people like Sarah Palin get the black hat, and people like you & me get white ones, right?
Just goes to show that the liberal media tries to demonize conservatives.
Seriously though, do you think Sarah Palin will take your advice? Or that anyone who idolizes Sarah Palin would? Do you think telling liberals to stop condemning the immoral actions of conservatives would help solve "the problem"?
This isn't some childish bout of namecalling that just got out of hand. They really mean it when they say liberals aren't real Americans. They really mean it when they say they think they're engaged in a noble battle for freedom against an enemy who is trying to take it away.
I think the non-conservatives really need to wake up to the fact that they're not just saying this stuff to get our goats. They really mean it.
>> ^VoodooV:
That's one thing, but when you honestly seem to believe that you're the white hat and the opposition is the black hat, then you've ceased to become part of the solution and have become part of the problem.



Then how do you propose one should go about convincing the right that the left are not mustache twirlers and that the left's fiendishly clever plan for world domination....just doesn't exist. Or are you suggesting that the left just don't give a shit and say fuck'em if they don't be more reasonable, walk away from the negotiating table and commit to a 2nd American Civil War? Which, yes, I am quite fearful will happen in my lifetime the way the vitriol and hate are building. Hell I wouldn't at all be surprised that Obama getting re-elected would tip some of the far right into an armed frenzy.

I'm sorry, but everyone paints themselves as the plucky rebellion fighting the evil empire, everyone thinks their god is the right god. When you step back and realize that all sides think the same thing about the other side, you start to realize just how absurd this shit is and that BOTH SIDES ARE FUCKED UP!!!! If you can't at least be aware of that absurdity...then we're doomed.

Remove the politics from her and you'd have a fun host. Otherwise, egghhhh..

She looks really good with a cock in her mouth. I'm sure I saw that somewhere.

>> ^Edgeman2112:

Remove the politics from her and you'd have a fun host. Otherwise, egghhhh..


Yeah, as a person, she's fascinating...but as a politician??? as a leader?? oh fuck no!

>> ^VoodooV:

Or are you suggesting that the left just don't give a shit and say fuck'em if they don't be more reasonable, walk away from the negotiating table and commit to a 2nd American Civil War?

Mostly I'm saying the other side has already walked away from the table.

I don't really think they've quite committed to a full-on armed conflict yet, but I really feel like it's just a matter of time.
>> ^VoodooV:
When you step back and realize that all sides think the same thing about the other side, you start to realize just how absurd this shit is and that BOTH SIDES ARE FUCKED UP!!!! If you can't at least be aware of that absurdity...then we're doomed.


But we're not in some sort of mirror-image situation. When examining the policy proposals of Republicans, I generally think "bad policy that will make things get worse over time". Their view of us on the other hand is almost always some apocalyptic nonsense like "it will be the end of freedom," and we've even seen them talk about universal healthcare as if it'll be genocide.

I don't really think I (or the left generally) have all the right answers, or that our way of dealing with issues is the only way to do things. The right on the other hand is certain that their way isn't just the best way, it's the only morally acceptable way for things to be, and they are outraged, OUTRAGED that anyone thinks differently. They see their political preferences not as a mere point of view, but as if they are the natural order of things, and that people who want to do things differently are either a) fools who don't understand how the world works, or b) evil people trying to escape the consequences of their actions.

Mostly these days I think of conservatives as being in one giant cult.

Take a look at this, from Wikipedia's entry on cults:

Studies have identified a number of key steps in coercive persuasion:

• People are put in physical or emotionally distressing situations;
  
• Their problems are reduced to one simple explanation, which is repeatedly emphasized;
  
• They receive what seems to be unconditional love, acceptance, and attention from a charismatic leader or group;
  
• They get a new identity based on the group;
  
• They are subject to entrapment (isolation from friends, relatives and the mainstream culture) and their access to information is severely controlled.