A bit too much dramatic music, but very excellent documentary *promote because you people wouldn't take a chance otherwise.

Self promoting this video and sending it back into the queue for one more try; last queued Monday, January 5th, 2009 11:43am PST - promote requested by original submitter Farhad2000.

This lengthy apologia for terrorists and anti-semites reaches it's climax as a weepy eulogy for St. Pancake (Rachel Corrie) by her ISM enablers.

If you want to see what happens when people stop sipping the Koolaide, and just dive right in, watch this video.

"Terrorism is the symptom and not the disease." - Arundhati Roy

"If we make peaceful revolution impossible, we make violent revolution inevitable." - JFK

The violence and injustice that Israel carries out on the Palestinian people only propagates the creation of more terrorists not less, you can't fight a war for peace when you are the aggressor. But hey Israel wants that, it allows it further leyway in capturing further land from the Palestinian people. The pursuit of a long lasting peace with the Arab people is not on the Zionist agenda.

There are a lot of factual errors in this 'documentary', in particular regarding the description of the lead up and execution of the 1948 war. If you can really listen to a description that declares Israel had everyone outnumbered with a better trained and equipped army then you need to go down to your local library and read a real account of what happened. This is the point where this video goes from 'documentary' to one sided propaganda, and it's subtlety in doing so is extremely harmful.

Sorry, some specific errors should be pointed out.

The documentary declares that when the UN partition was defined, Arabs owned over 92% of the land. In fact, Arabs owned just under 50% of the land, and the STATE owned another 40 something percent of the land, with Jewish people owning 8%. That the video sees fit to declare STATE owned land as Arab owned and not Jewish is telling, it also declares the partition unfair because the arab population outnumbered the jewish population 2-1.

Then just a short while later later, it talks about the continuing civil war between the arab and jewish populations. They mention not a single arab atrocity and are content to describe only the worst atrocity committed by the Jews. They then state that 300,000 arabs fled as a result of the Jewish aggression before a single arab soldier set foot in Palestine. But wait a minute, wasn't the arab population in palestine supposed to outnumber the jews 2-1? No, the video expects one to believe that not a single arab palestinian was in any fashion a soldier. Not only did the Israelis decide to cleanse the country without any provocation, they were too incompetent to successfully cleanse it even though there wasn't a single soldier in the entire country that tried to oppose them.

Then we are told about when the Arab nations 'finally intervened', and the very first arab soldiers set foot in Palestine after Israel declared it's independence(no mention is made of Israel accepting the UN mandated borders as part of this declaration). We are again told that Israel(outnumbered 2-1 within Palestine) was able to field more soldiers than Palestine, Egypt,Iraq,Jordan and Syria combined. The alliance of all surrounding arab nations and the Arab Palestinian population are again made out as the underdogs.

There is lots of important footage and witness accounts in this documentary and it's worth watching. But the extreme bias against showing any blame on anyone but Israel makes this more propaganda than documentary.

What about to say is covered within http://www.videosift.com/video/Palestinian-Israeli-Conflict

bcglorf,

That's an interesting counter reading of the events that surround the times, I believe that section of the documentary should have gone further into explaining the historical context of the creation of Israel but perhaps they assume pervious knowledge of the Balfour agreement of 1917, which was a classified policy adopted by the British government for the creation of a Jewish state within Palestine. The original plan called for the creation of a single Jewish state in all of Judea, something Israel is seemingly achieving over the last 60 years.

Essentially nearly three decades before, it was preordained that a Jewish state be created in Judea, the British government finding favour with Zionist interests. The analogy being that your landlord desclares that someone else will get half of your living space. How do you react to that? The 1947 UN plan to partition the area in to two states, was not in line of its own article 73b that stipulated that any area would come into state under its own localized population.

Mass evacuation of Palestinians followed because there was wider insecurity for them, even though armed resistance had started understandbly because no one asked them about partition of their lands nor the massive immigration of Jews even though a reduction was stipulated in the 1939 white paper. The USA withdrew support for the partition plan, the Arab League and the Arab Liberation Army thought it could end the partition. The British however showed support to Israel, who now enforced forced military service, and taken an offensive stance in securing areas of Palestine. Jordan at the time did not seek to help set up a Palestinian state, wanting to capture more land to annex. The State of Israel comes into form having secured numerous settlements. World wide sympathy existed for Jewish Zionism post Holocaust reducing any international action. Military assessments in 1947 showed that Palestine did not have the military capability to withstand a conflict with Israel.

I could go on but I believe there is more to be found the more on goes further into the history and origins of the creation of State of Israel, the Balfour agreement, the 1947-1948 war, the 1948 Arab-Israeli war. In some way one can say that colonial actions by the British government at the time, created a volatile situation in the post colonial world, leaving a spectre of war and instability in the same way we see played out in the creation and seperation of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.

In some way one can say that colonial actions by the British government at the time, created a volatile situation in the post colonial world, leaving a spectre of war and instability in the same way we see played out in the creation and seperation of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.

Agreed on the analogy, with the added factors of WW2 going on and complicating Britain's commitments and Jewish ambitions considerably. My problem with this video is instead of portraying the complexities that led to what was a civil war within Palestine between jews and arabs, it portrays only a British supported Zionist military occupation of all of Palestine. In my book that is just as indefensible as saying that Palestinian civilians deserve to live in fear because some of their 'leaders' are some very bad mofos.


Essentially nearly three decades before, it was preordained that a Jewish state be created in Judea, the British government finding favour with Zionist interests.


But that is again only partially true. Britain simply stated they would not object to Zionist ambitions in Palestine. Later on after Balfour though some Zionist terrorists changed Britains position by killing a bunch of people they didn't like. Israel wound up arresting and deporting a hundred some such Zionists to Britain tor trial to avoid Britain becoming hostile toward them.

My other major beef with the presentation here is that it completely ignores the treatment of Jewish people in Palestine under the Arab majority from 1900 to the early 1940s. The Jews tolerated many of the same restrictions and abuses that Palestinians 'enjoy' today. I'm obviously not saying two wrongs make a right, I'm saying that both were wrong. Pretending like this video does that Zionists just decided in 1948 to chase out all the Arabs that had previously treated them kindly as equals is false. Worse, that false presentation creates a, I'll say deliberate, bias against Israel.

im glad farhad mentioned the balfor declaration.
britains bloody gift to the world.
i also agree that this documentary,like so many,has an agenda that is manipulative.
while correct in many of its facts,it "leaves" out other facts which may give us all a far better context.
sadly,i live in america,and in this country they know next to nothing about the true nature of the isreali/palestine conflict.
the only way to combat the agenda's of a select few,or to avoid being sucked in by propaganda is to do what we are doing here..
talking about it,sharing our thoughts and our own discoveries.
because the corporate media is not going to tell us,nor those with a political agenda.
it is up to us to sift through the mountain of information and make our own minds up.
sad...but true.
till next time..peace

>> ^bcglorf:
Worse, that false presentation creates a, I'll say deliberate, bias against Israel.


As opposed to your bias for Israel and your slanted cherry-picking of historical events?

Don't feel alone, only 99% of the mainstream media is exactly like you.

Oh! And 90% of our government is afraid to say anything critical of Israel at all, because as everybody knows, that will be shouted down as anti-Semitism, and AIPAC will put a hit on them come the next election.

It's so fucking nice to have a PAC, who's number one concern is the interest of a foreign nation, controlling so much of what happens within and to the USA.

As opposed to your bias for Israel and your slanted cherry-picking of historical events?


By all means please point out when I'm cherry picking historical facts. Just don't expect me accept watching it done by a 'documentary' without calling it out. You can't just sweep away the one sided view presented here by calling me biased, address the actual points please.

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