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Man tries to break his cousin out of a mental hospital

youtube - This incident happened today at August 14, 2010 at 2pm. Ronnie Smith, a candidate for Sheriff in Gallatin County told the hospital staff that they were not allowed to hold another person against their will, and tried to walk out with his thirty-something female cousin. They stopped them at the elevator where they assaulted Ronnie, and her children, and four skinhead hospital Nazis carried the woman back to her hospital prison room. I think this happened at St. Elizabeth (formally St. Luke).
Yogisays...

>> ^kagenin:

These people are just begging to be tazed.
I'm with the hospital staff. If someone is on a 72-hour suicide watch, it doesn't matter what their family thinks.


I may be a little more conservative than most but I think people should have the right to commit suicide. I don't think the state should have the right to hold (arrest) people for any amount of time unless they're a suspect in harming someone else, or they have information that someone besides themselves may be harmed.

You should have the right...nay the responsibility in taking yourself out of the gene pool.

LarsaruSsays...

^I agree
Having people close to you commit suicide hurts like nothing else, it breaks you inside. But it is their choice to make, not yours or anybody elses.

I am the owner of my body and my mind. The state does not own it! Otherwise we are nothing but slaves and as far as I know slavery has been abolished for quite some time, at least in the enlightened parts of the world. If we do not have a say in how we live and how we die I really fear for the future. It is my life to do with what I wish, not what you or someone else wants me to.

To force someone to stay alive against their will is the ultimate crime you could ever commit in my book. It is the evilest kind of torture ever invented. The kind done for "the greater good"(tm) or because "you don't know any better" or some other bullshit reason. It's simply somebody elses morality being forced on you and if you do not like it they will keep you locked and drugged up until you die of old age.

direpicklesays...

^Say you're manic-depressive, bipolar, or what have you. You have good days and bad days. The bad days are bad. You want to die, to kill yourself. On the good days, life's all rainbows and lemon drops and you can't imagine why you would feel that way.

Is it the ultimate crime if someone forcibly keeps bad-day you from offing yourself? What if they make you get treatment to help balance you out?

Jinxsays...

I must say I was quite disturbed by this video, but I really think the notion of suicide being a right is...more wrong headed.

One of the side effects of antidepressants is an increased suicide risk. Seemms counterproductive I know, but patients are most at risk in the early stages of treatment. I don't think its a crime to hold somebody, even against their will, for a short period of time when they are most at risk. To say it is my life, therefore I have the right to throw it away at my will is a incredibly self centered world view. People do recover from depression, from being suicidal but its not easy and it takes a lot of pushing from other people, a lot of hope from others when you might have none. Quite often others do know best, I know thats true in my own life, and killing yourself is not one of those mistakes you can live and learn from.

You know, none of us have absolute freedom, we all make compromises, we're all slaves in some ways and there are good reasons why. I don't think this laissez-faire attitude to suicide or w/e is worth the tiny extra sliver of "freedom" it affords.

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