qm,

I almost didn't watch it because the clips I've seen of Glenn Beck. From watching previous clips, I don't care for him at all. But I decided to try to watch. Ah, the word enemy... I was unaware that China and Russia are our enemies. (hypercritical or aware?)

I think the close ties between government and corporations in the US has to do more with greed (and resulting corruption) than anything else. Corporations spend tremendous amounts of money lobbying for tax breaks. And then you see the revolving door of people working in the government and then directly working for the company that they made decisions that brought the company a great deal of money. I guess I don't see that as a liberal or conservative issue since this issue spans both Democratic and Republican administrations. Who is worse: the person who starts an act or the ones that continue it? Same difference or moot argument... I see it as an issue of an uninformed and inactive citizenry losing control of their country.

I do agree that people, to varying degrees, are too dependant on the government.

In the end, I think that people should watch it even if they disagree with some or all points.

Ah Jonah "I make words mean what I want them to mean" Goldberg.

http://www.videosift.com/video/Jonah-Goldberg-on-Liberal-Fasicism-on-the-Daily-Show

The theory is 1st year college garbage. I agree that left should be criticized but not in such an amateur, misguided, ridiculous way as Goldberg does.

Interesting to see the stark difference in the two interviews. Thanks Farhad.

I didn't realize that when I bought organic food, I was supporting facism. :-P

>> ^Farhad2000:
Ah Jonah "I make words mean what I want them to mean" Goldberg.
http://www.videosift.com/video/Jonah-Goldberg-on-Liberal-Fasicism-on-the-Daily-Show
The theory is 1st year college garbage. I agree that left should be criticized but not in such an amateur, misguided, ridiculous way as Goldberg does.

Farhad,

You know as well as I do that "I make words mean what I want them to mean" is used by everyone and not just in politics. And not without sincerity. When a liberal hears "Level the playing field" she might be dreaming of heavy taxes while someone else might imagine tweaking some laws. This vagueness leads to much trouble; in the case of someone like Obama, the vaguer the language, the more of the imagination he captures without having to commit to anything solid.

Language and reality are quite different, which is why agreeing to definitions is a full-time job in itself.

The past 40 or so years, the term "fascist" has been warped by leftists from its original meaning to simply mean anyone how doesn't think exactly as they do.

You want to cut the budget for "free" school lunches? You're a fascist.

You don't believe in global warming? You're a fascist.

You want people to be responsible for their own lives and not depend on government for everything? You're a fascist.

Time to "level the playing field" again. ha ha ha.

curiosity,

Good points. Corruption is indeed the grease of democracy.

I am worried that you didn't think or didn't know about China and Russia.

Russia (nee Soviet union) murdered millions of its own citizens over decades, trying to create a failed utopia. Their drive for world power and influence hasn't waned. Would-be dictators like Putin are everywhere over there.

China is still a brutal dictatorship, just with McDonald's on the corner. As their population grows, they are going to have to claim more land and resources, by force if necessary. In the next 100 years, China may very well end up ruling the world.

You missed my point about China and Russia. I am aware of history and current affairs. I clearly see them as competitors, but to freely call them enemies is careless behavior as he just classified 1.46 billion people as our enemies. It encourages the small-minded Us vs. Them mentality. No doubt it was purposeful because that type of mentality is popular as unthinking machismo will always sell well.

As I stated in my first post, I may have been hypercritical about "enemy". I think this will explain where I am coming from better regarding the word enemy.

China has actually been extremely market-oriented in their effort to secure resources. Other countries enjoy working with them because they demand nothing in return. I watch some interviews with citizens in Chad. The US had promised to build hospitals (still not built) and forced human rights, etc as conditions. (Not saying human rights is wrong, I'm just saying.) However, China comes in, does what it promises and requires no demands be met in its agreements. Would they claim resources by force? Probably, but right now they don't need to.

You missed my point about China and Russia. I am aware of history and current affairs. I clearly see them as competitors, but to freely call them enemies is careless behavior as he just classified 1.46 billion people as our enemies. It encourages the small-minded Us vs. Them mentality. No doubt it was purposeful because that type of mentality is popular as unthinking machismo will always sell well.

There's a damned good reason why voters don't trust liberals with national defense. It has something to do with refusing to acknowledge the world is a dangerous place and that countries that treat their subjects like playthings to be killed at will would also do the same to the populations of other countries. With democratic/republic governments Russia and China could very well surpass the US economically without firing a shot, but they don't really have freedom and are much closer to tyranny. Question who is unthinking versus who is thinking ahead.

China has actually been extremely market-oriented in their effort to secure resources. Other countries enjoy working with them because they demand nothing in return. I watch some interviews with citizens in Chad. The US had promised to build hospitals (still not built) and forced human rights, etc as conditions. (Not saying human rights is wrong, I'm just saying.) However, China comes in, does what it promises and requires no demands be met in its agreements. Would they claim resources by force? Probably, but right now they don't need to.

I'm waiting to see if the Chinese abandon their one-child-per-family law. If they do, that's a good indicator of their future plans. Mao wanted to drown the West in "a human wave." Russia will know first when it happens.

At no point did I say that we should ignore China or that the world was a happy-go-lucky place. Quit twisting or adding things so it fits your view. Seriously grow up qm, much more good is done with positive relationships than with adversarial relationships. BUT we aren't addressing it either way, are we? We are spread so thin and our economy is tanking... The inflation that we have been exporting for decades is catching up. It seems that you can't keep creating money and expect it to keep the same value. Add in that we do not manufacture very many goods anymore and the fact that the quality and quantity of well-education, professional Americans is dropping - maybe we should address those issues, eh? Maybe we should "make America strong" instead of "Rebuilding American Defenses"?

Instead of just acknowledging that China is securing resources in a market-oriented fashion, you immediately move to a "you just wait" stance. Please put the drama queen back in the closet.

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False premises galore.

Wow, this is an eerily prescient interview. We're now (9/20/08) talking about an almost trillion-dollar bailout to keep large corporations afloat, when the entire freaking US budget is only 2.7 trillion a year!

Liberal Fascism is an incredible book that both sides need to read, as it shows how government protects large corporations in liberal or socialist countries, and fail at a much higher rate (which is a good thing!) in free market countries, and how the traditional conservative = fascist association is completely backwards.

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upvoted for same.

more honest commentary in the 'amateur' comments here, than the 'professionals' in the clip.

but at least goldberg is an intellectual, regardless of disagreements. beck's just a talking head like imus, limbaugh, etc, imho.

Whenever you see a person using the word "liberal" to qualify the word "fascism" you know you're dealing with a completely irredeemable shithead.

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