Darwins Dilemma - The Mystery of the Cambrian Fossil Record

***Part 1: Unlocking the Mystery of Life
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTlihcs89IM
- (german/ deutsch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJiJUWgfTmo )

***Part 2: The Privileged Planet - The Search for Purpose in the Universe
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ij10OtuHLw

***Part 3: Darwins Dilemma - The Mystery of the Cambrian Fossil Record
- (1/2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyZjQFN_DUw
- (2/2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJw9801QEwQ
shinyblurrysays...

I read Jerry Coynes refutation so you don't have to..

"The movie repeatedly hammers home the message that the sudden appearance of all “animal forms” at the Cambrian boundary contradicts evolution’s central tenet that things evolve gradually from ancestors who were different. No matter that trace fossils and some remains of animals appear before the Burgess Shale fauna, so that that fauna didn’t represent the first animal life on Earth, and no matter that the “Cambrian explosion” was not instantaneous, but lasted between 5 and 20 million years. No, the film states that the animals arose instantaneously and implies (but does not state) that this reflects God’s creation.

One, that's an outright lie. The film clearly states that best estimations are at least 5 millions years. It also states it could have happened much quicker, but it never asserts it happened instantaneously.

That there might be trace fossils and some remains of animals completely misses the point. According to darwins theory, the pre cambian should be loaded with these transitional forms leading up to the cambrian explosion. None have been found.

The movie not only claims that there were no transitional forms representing the ancestors of the Cambrian fauna, but implies that there are no transitional forms in general. That is, of course, a lie. We have transitional forms between fish and amphibians, amphibians and reptiles, reptiles and mammals, dinosaurs and birds, land mammals to whales and seals, and so on. If sudden appearance reflects the actions of a Designer, then how do IDers explain these transitional forms? Did they — God help us — evolve?

Here is a list of the best transitional forms science has to offer:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_fossils

Here is the disclaimer:

Ideally, this list would only recursively include 'true' transitionals, fossils representing ancestral specie from which later groups evolved, but most, if not all, of the fossils shown here represent extinct side branches, more or less closely related to the true ancestor

IE, no true transitionals have been found. IE, nothing that shows one kind of thing changing into another kind.

The "refutation" also rants about various people the author doesn't like, and speculates on their motivations. The film stands on its own as honest criticism on darwins theory. It's amusing a hardcore antitheist immediately leaps in to try to prevent people from even watching it..however, I'll give people more credit than that and say it's an interesting view no matter what side of the issue you fall on. The cambrian explosion is a mystery and cannot be explained away by darwinian theory no matter how loudly people shout and stomp their feet.

shinyblurrysays...

That's what I believe..and intelligent design is a valid theory. I think you would have to pretty arrogant to think that there was no possibility of the Universe being created..and if it was, we will see evidence of design. Why is that a non-idea? If the Universe was created, science should be able to verify it..take for example, the DNA molecule, which is a digital information storage device with redundant error correction overlapping information, specified and complex information, and has syntax grammar and punctuation.. any programmer could tell you the likelyhood of that arising out of random mutation is laughable. its been compared to a print shop exploding into the encyclopedia brittanica. But science seems to think a trillion monkeys at a trillion type writers *will* eventually write shakesphere. but according to them our ancestors are rocks..i think i might buy that if it was a much closer relation.
>> ^acidSpine:
So... Your god did it?
Can I ask if you're at all surprised science doesn't want anything to do with these non-ideas?In reply to this comment by shinyblurry:
The cambrian explosion is a mystery and cannot be explained away by darwinian theory no matter how loudly people shout and stomp their feet.

acidSpinesays...


But it's not a theory in a scientific sense, it's really a hypothesis. One that goes like...

A creator (Jesus) made the universe and everything in it by magic.

The evidence for this is that science hasn't explained absolutely everything possible to me in ways I can comprehend.

There are no ways to test this idea, in scientific terms it's unfalsifiable, like me saying my pet cat created the universe last Thursday.

Identical to the pet cat "theory" the god hypothesis helps us to understand the nature of the universe in a scientific sense exactly not at all.

So there's an idea with no evidence that can't make predictions and can't be tested and you say it's a valid Theory?

I ask again are you at all surprised science doesn't want anything to do with intelligent design?

shinyblurrysays...

Actually, humanity has always understood the Universe was created. It's only since the theory of evolution that science butted in and claimed it wasn't true, yet of course has offered no actual evidence to prove it. Then they turned the argument around and claimed that since science hasn't explained everything, we have a God of the gaps. Yet the truth is, evolution *never* explained *anything*..it hasn't even been observed once! The only exception is the micro-evolution we see in kinds..as in one dog produces many kinds of different dogs..but it always produces according to its kind. A dog never produces a non-dog, which actually disputes the central tenant of the theory.. Now because evolution has been taught in the classrooms as fact people have faith in evolution instead of in God. The theory of evolution is a metaphysical belief. It is a religious claim that has no evidence.

I'll give a quick example. Take stellar evolution, for example. Did you know that no one has actually ever seen a star or planet being formed? According to stellar evolution, it should be common, and we can see literally trillions of stars from here. Does that make any sense to you? According to the bible, however, they were all created at the same time, and the evidence agrees with that. Did you know that according to scientific evidence of the age of the Universe we should see hundreds of millions of dead stars? Yet, funnily enough we only see a few hundred. If you do any actual investigation into the theory, you will see that's all it is..


>> ^acidSpine:
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But it's not a theory in a scientific sense, it's really a hypothesis. One that goes like...
A creator (Jesus) made the universe and everything in it by magic.
The evidence for this is that science hasn't explained absolutely everything possible to me in ways I can comprehend.
There are no ways to test this idea, in scientific terms it's unfalsifiable, like me saying my pet cat created the universe last Thursday.
Identical to the pet cat "theory" the god hypothesis helps us to understand the nature of the universe in a scientific sense exactly not at all.
So there's an idea with no evidence that can't make predictions and can't be tested and you say it's a valid Theory?
I ask again are you at all surprised science doesn't want anything to do with intelligent design?

acidSpinesays...

Since your video has only 43 views and not a single vote, I'll just assume it's you and I talking here. Nobody can really untangle the mess of religiously-motivated psuedo-scientific conspiracy theories you subscribe to for you, least of all me. When you get all your information from Ray Comfort, Kent Hovind, the Discovery Institute and silly little videos like these it's no wonder you believe so much crap.

If these guys are so confident evolution is a lie and Jesus is the answer why don't they do the research, publish peer reviewed articles and step up to accept their Nobel prizes in Physics, Chemistry and Biology? What's that? Because they have no evidence, can't compete in the scientific arena and must resort to convincing unscientific plebs evolution is an ivory tower conspiracy set against Jesus? Spot on.

For the third time, do you wonder why thinking people don't want to hear this?

shinyblurrysays...

The people who don't want to hear this are the people who have made up their minds that they are responsible only to themselves. The idea of a higher power offends their selfish ideals. If you think you can stand on your own merits before a Holy God, feel free.

>> ^acidSpine:
Since your video has only 43 views and not a single vote, I'll just assume it's you and I talking here. Nobody can really untangle the mess of religiously-motivated psuedo-scientific conspiracy theories you subscribe to for you, least of all me. When you get all your information from Ray Comfort, Kent Hovind, the Discovery Institute and silly little videos like these it's no wonder you believe so much crap.
If these guys are so confident evolution is a lie and Jesus is the answer why don't they do the research, publish peer reviewed articles and step up to accept their Nobel prizes in Physics, Chemistry and Biology? What's that? Because they have no evidence, can't compete in the scientific arena and must resort to convincing unscientific plebs evolution is an ivory tower conspiracy set against Jesus? Spot on.
For the third time, do you wonder why thinking people don't want to hear this?

acidSpinesays...

I believe in a higher power. It's called society and it's got cops and courthouses and gaol cells for people who don't want to get along.

Anyway, I'm thinking you are a troll so I'm gonna stop now. In any case have fun trying to get one of these shithouse vids sifted

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