If he walks the talk, we might be okay.

Needs more generalisations ...

he he "lack of intelligence"

If a terrorist attack occurs that could've been prevented by waterboarding intel from a captive, all blame goes to the American people who elected Obama who selected a bureaucrat for a job requiring different and specific experience.

^ By the same logic, if taking away everyone's guns would save 100 lives, we should do it, right?

Take away everyone's cars, and it'd save thousands -- that too, right?

Freedom of speech too: let's censor all opinions to fit with that of the RNC, because we all know that dissent costs lives.

PS: QM, you still haven't proven that you're not embroiled in a steamy love affair with several men. Your refusal to release a report proving your innocence is obviously an admission of your hunger for gay sex.

Just change your name to queermushroom, and come all the way out of the closet already.

>> ^quantumushroom:
If a terrorist attack occurs that could've been prevented by waterboarding intel from a captive, all blame goes to the American people who elected Obama who selected a bureaucrat for a job requiring different and specific experience.


Wiki on torture:
One well documented effect of torture is that, with rare exceptions, people will say or do anything to escape the situation, including untrue "confessions" and implication of others without genuine knowledge, who may well then be tortured in turn. That information may have been extracted from the Birmingham Six through the use of police beatings was counterproductive because it made the convictions unsound as the confessions were worthless.

This is why its not been used prior to bush and co. seeing how sucessful it is on 24. Cause its utterly fucking worthless, provides unsound intel, and can lead to false arrests and misallocation of resources chasing an endless rabbit hole of trails.

JACK BAUER IS NOT A REAL DUDE!!

It always confuses me, this talk about the myth of torture. Sure, if you're looking for a confession ,for instance, and it will not result in any action or verification it is useless. You're right, the person will eventually say anything to make it stop.

However, if you are looking for actionable intelligence (information you can subsequently go out and investigate with conventional means) then torture is effective, and it's one of the reasons why it's been used as long as humans have been around.

But on the comments boards there is all these people parroting "it's ineffective, it's ineffective". Torture is a very evil act, and is illegal, and demeaning. Hopefully killing will be just as frowned upon at some point. Using torture is a regression.

I think you skipped the part where I said torture does not work as intended.
Maybe you need to go back and read it again.

more Clinton re-treads


some change

When Obsama posts incompetent buffoons to send a "message" to terrorists and appeasement weasels alike that America will not be doing everything in its power to stop them, he better take full responsibility when his decisions lead to Fail.

For you liberal weenies who claim torture "doesn't work", there's no harm in trying. The 9-11 cowards didn't admire our restraint and civilized society during the "peaceful" 90s.

Don't you have anything better to do than defend scum who would cheerfully saw your necks in half?



For the record, NetStumbler, you're the only one around here who keeps bringing up The Gay. Aren't you one of the misguided activists fighting for gays' "right" to marry?

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