Voice expert believes Haggard contacted male escort
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DENVER - A nationally known voice recognition expert says he believes voice mails left for a male escort are from a pastor in Colorado Springs.

Mike Jones, a gay man and admitted male escort, claims he and Pastor Ted Haggard have been having a "sexual business" relationship for the past three years.

He also claims Haggard used methamphetamine in his presence several times...

How on earth could this be considered "gay bashing"?

A voice analysis expert has confirmed that it's his voice on the answering machine. See this voicemail where he's talking about buying crystal meth.

You just *cannot* make this stuff up.

Yes, wallace - if you want to believe he bought meth from a gay masseuse/escort and then threw it away and didn't have sex, then you deserve to get suckered by televangelists.

And it's dehumanizing gay people - that's gay bashing.

...most of the gays i have known or spent any amount of time around, all have had an aura of self-hate, hard to describe to folks determined to beat the human rights gong so loud that it drowns their sensibilities...
This christian has the disease of the machine...power, wealth...itll' fuck the best and worst of us up-to use him as an example of what fundamentalist b-thumpers are like, is as sophomoric as any other blame-game.

The disease is mentioned in a verse from the bible "my people perish for lack of knowledge."

All this banter serves mostly to stroke one's own convictions.

Brain Storm This: How do we bring 200 million people up to speed with the rest of the civilized world, so bombs don't go off in London, NY, etc, so women can uncover their faces in public, so practices of teaching self-hate, race hate, clitorectomies, etc. will cease?"

Screw the queers-are they really worth paying attention to??

choggie, two things:

1. I imagine if you were persecuted for your sexuality, the color of your skin, whatever - that you might feel forced to bury those expressions - repress them, much like Pastor Ted did/does.
2. I'm not sure someone who'd say "screw the queers" in seriousness is worth paying attention to, either.

I just love hearing big-C Christians say stuff like "We don't have to think about it - it's in the Bible!"

Well, so are the kosher laws. In fact, they're in the same chapter as the bit about homosexuality. So tell me, pastor, d'you eat ham? Shellfish?

If the Bible is the word of God, you can't exactly pick and choose which bits work for you, now can you?

hey theo, they have their allies, I aint one of em...which does not mean I shun them as humans...I deal with all-comers in the human rainbow, could give a care what others think of my sexuality...but they seem to beat the issue, not straights. Besides, at face value, someone who does not wish to procreate, but rather, choses a lifestyle that will insure this, is an enemy to themselves, their family's history, and, their species. This, is one man's, and quite a few others, humble opinion-
Screw anyone who is not about the business of life, in all its facets and manifestations..."Screw the Queers, because the bulk of their contribution to politics and objective dialoge is shit, and I'm tired of whiners.....(persecuted for their sexuality...give me a fuckin' hanky!!!)

"they seem to beat the issue, not straights" - I'm sure that's what whites said about blacks during the Civil Rights struggle.

Exactly how long enough do they have to wait for equal treatment until you feel comfortable?

And if you really believe gays CHOOSE their sexuality any more than you or I do, then this conversation is over.
You've got nothing intelligent left to say.

this guy is just a self-hater, sucked up in the corporate side of the religious world, and he got caught. he's admitted to some, although not all, of the allegations.

i'm sure, even though it doesn't explicitly say in the bible, that doing meth is a sin in the christian world. but then he's not so much being called out for the meth, as he is for the alleged sexual relations.

- "I'm sure that's what whites said about blacks during the Civil Rights struggle."

C'mon man, its not apples and oranges-the plight of an historically enslaved group of folks with more melanin than me, and the self-induced trauma of psychologically compromised induviduals, who use their expression of sexuality as self-therapy, denial, and escape, are not to be compared.

And, yes, an institution I happen to believe is a manifestation of humanity not to be fucked with, is not a conquest I am willing to allow, the queers. They have equal treatment, and they want more and more, like the whining, confused people they are. Belive me pal, I aint no homophobe-To be afraid of something is to not understand it. Hey man, we all get dealt our decks-some get dealt the deck of higher than normal testosterone levels, a weak-ass father and a doting mother, there are still choices made, all along the way......so..,no quarter, buck the fuck up,and take responsibility-I've had countless conversations with gays who will tell you there is a choice.....

....(oh yeah, and that closer from the comment I am responding to, "if you think, etc, then you have nothing intelligent,..etc??".....This is not someone who would care to be in a conversation...more like someone recoiling when they hear something with actual meaning.)

I still say "accused" shouldn't mean "guilty." But in this case, of course the guy is guilty, we now know.

I will say this - the existence of charlatans does not automatically debunk anything. Science is still valid, despite myriad hoaxes and scams in the name of science. Democracy is still a legitimate system despite the existence of corrupt politicians.

Avoid bigotry.

Choogie, you argued in both directions by saying that, "we all get dealt our decks...", and how you've had, "countless conversations with gays who will tell you there is a choice...".

Sexuality is an odd thing; its all crazy amounts of proteins and chemicals and gene regulation and synaptic organization... Keeping this in mind, is it truly impossible for you to conceive of the system of sexual attraction even remotely reflecting the incredible diversity of the rest of the human (and animal) condition?

The homosexual, meth-popping preacher in the video has now closed "Jesus Camp" for at least the next several years. See this article for details... http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003365311_jesuscamp08.html

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Re-promoting this video to the front page as a VideoSift Classic. Originally published on Friday 3rd November 2006 (promotion called by gold star member therealblankman)

He shouldn't be lambasted for being gay, just a hypocrit.
Choggie, your views on this subject confuse me. You always seem to be for the individual to think for themselves, but you bash gays.

I should keep away from the science choggie, unless you have researched,found proof and understood the findings you don't really know what you are talking about

....cause maybe I don't perceive the human drama in the same way you do???..and to go with ones' gut??, with the mores of societies' throughout history, with the extant rants and bullseyes of doctors,,,,etc ad infinitum??...hey, i slight no-one for their indulgences and desires, however induced, genetically assited, or otherwise, I simply tire of their bullshit tactics to gain attention.....be a queer, be straight, but don't whine, when the group shuts you out- or like in the old daze, i.e. tribal and ag societies, they set you apart to insure you will survive as a shaman or abberation, but always to be another class because, you can't insure the survival of the race.....hey, heteros will always be the shit, otherwise we don't go on....together--

uhhhh, lke I said, I study folks, and know many types, and their particular orientations....the world is a lab, and we all draw our own results, and conclusions....which for me makes it quite easy to discuss this same topic with a tolerant, understanding, self-actualized faggot...., er uh excuse me, homosexual.

whew!

"I should keep away from the science choggie, unless you have researched,found proof and understood the findings you don't really know what you are talking about".....

Without all the information, emotions aside, no one can have the "truth", without all the information-Homosexuality, is one of those issues...is it genetic, learned, chosen, etc.? ?....when the sun sets, one must go with their conscience, their heart. Anyone who says different lies and denies. Who is the expert....show me an "expert" , someone I can trust, parrot, then be happy about not having to think anymore, because its settled-

perhaps i'll ask the shaman, who cross-dresses, y' know, tribe mascot....

The comment wasn't a personal attack, just an observation. A lot of people use information to back points with no knowledge of the science. I see some people using wikipedia to back up scientific based statements, this site is not written by scientists, just members of the public. Sorry about the rant here, I'm just pointing out how complicated some things are. I'm a firm believer of first hand proof on certain subjects. For example, I couldn't make a factual comment on the middle east as I've never been there. All I have is second hand information. Obviously there are some pieces of information you can trust, the ones with proof, method etc.

By the way

I'm loving all the blues you're putting on choggie