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The lord Jehova has given unto you these fifteen…Oy...ten. Ten Commandments for all to obey!

Please let this be at least 1/2 as good as the original.
*doublepromote *quality old school irreverent funny.

The Bible can't even figure out what the Ten Commandments are.

I bet you can't find a single Christian walking down the street who can quote the ACTUAL Ten Commandments. There were two lists of "shall nots" and while it says they're identical, they clearly are not. The first, Moses destroyed, and the second is the only list referred to as "Commandments".

The Bible is wildly inconsistent, as anyone who actually read the stupid thing would know.

@ChaosEngine

Do you honestly believe that we can't oppose things like institutional rape without reference to this single recent ideology? This is equivalent with the idea that humanity only learned theft and murder were wrong when Moses turned up waving the ten commandments at the israelites. It's lucky God clued us in when he did or we'd all still be unabashedly robbing and killing each other today.

Feminists might use the definition you mentioned, when it suits them. Of course they do; they're the popular faction: ideologues always want to fold all notions of moral goodness into their particular cult. Catholicism was the same way when they were the only game in town.

You yourself don't even use that definition, you can't because no one can. Look at the first couple of comments you made on this video. It's impossible to read them as dealing with a basic concept rather than what feminism actually is, which is a complex modern movement that certainly postdates the suffragettes.

If feminism is strictly the concept of equality for women, then feminism has been around FOREVER and until in historical terms about five minutes ago, according to you, 'didn't have any noticeable effect'.

Awful lot of hospitals named after saints, as well as a large number of schools. Religion teaches empathy for other people, it teaches right behavior, it teaches the ten commandments, it teaches the golden rule.

Just because people fail to follow those ideas wholly you condemn everyone who believes in any of it.

To replace it you bring in some philosophical sophistry that has nothing to back it up unless it is to say that there is a spark of Godliness behind it all.

It is good that we can agree that people have an innate sense toward empathy but it's an empty box.

All you have to say is that psychotics are restrained by religion, ipso facto, anyone who believes in God is a psychotic.

I don't know too many psychotics who open hospitals, care for the sick/infirm/dying, educate the masses.

Sorry - my communication skills are lacking. I didn't mean to suggest that YOU were cray-cray. Just that cray-cray was .... attractive to you. Big, big BIG difference. And I only made the cray-cray comment because you deciding to meet this woman even though you knew beforehand she was "obviously slightly psychotic."

Personally, I would avoid an "obviously slightly psychotic" stranger. You didn't. Hence my comment.

Does NOT make you slightly psychotic. Just that you perhaps find slightly psychotic intriguing. (So do I, but at a distance!)

And yes. Absolutely. Under no circumstances is it okay to drug someone. That is seriously creepy. I'm no Bible quoter, but I'm sure if I knew the Ten Commandments by heart, doing something like that must violate at least two or three of them!

You don't put a muffler on a 1500HP (ish) Merlin/Meteor engine man, it's sacrilegious!

I'm sure that's one of the ten commandments.... (if not it was clearly an oversight on God's part)

Since when does the ten commandments determine if you're a nice guy or a good person? Stopped watching at that point. So lame.

They forgot about the part where Moses comes with the Ten Commandments, and then the Commandments get destroyed, so Moses has to get another set, but somehow, even though each set is the final word of an infallible God, the two sets are different from eachother in significant ways.

Anyone who takes the Bible literally is either completely unaware of its contents or is an utter moron.

>> ^VoodooV:

gee, shiny resorts to harassment? color me shocked!
I'm sorry, but ill say it again, people like shiny need to be kicked out of here. It has nothing to do with conservatism or religion, these people simply don't contribute to civil discourse. I know plenty of conservative/religious people who are capable of engaging in civil debate and discourse, Shiny or QM, and others aren't among these people
They drop their talking points and move on to the next sift. That's not debate, that's not discourse. And you certainly can't have rational discussions with someone who no matter what, thinks you need to be saved and doesn't view you as an equal human being and him and his god are always correct and you're always wrong. It's not conducive to rational discussion and quite frankly, it's simply not healthy, period.
And yes, it is trolling.
Remember that even though they seem to be an endangered species, there are actual rational right wingers out there. You may disagree with them, but they can actually debate civilly without regurgitating Fox News or Theistic propaganda.


This is such an old response and thread, but I thought I'd say it anyway as I really want it said in here.

I've met, actually, a great many people that are very set in their theistic mindset, but like you said they also don't think I'm going to burn in a pit of fire come the end of time; in fact quite a few of them would be morally outraged if such a thing occurred--as they literally know, like me, that the difference between believing in God and not, is merely a thought away (or you could say, one neuron connection/pathway away).

There are a few that believe in fire and brimstone type things, but they only--typically--reserve it for the greatest of crimes (like an Adolf Hitler or Pol Pot). Even fewer still that believe that there is a harsh judgment remaining for a lot of people, but they tend to believe that there is a way to "return" or to repent there--in the "lake of fire" and come back a new person.

BUT, the ones that think there IS a hell, absolute and horrifying in all it's glory, these are ALSO the very same people that cannot have a rational discussion with you. It's very strange. It's as though their ability to actively decide whether actions in play are moral or not are by definition an unanswerable question until they have been told by someone ELSE what that answer is: either the Bible, other religious members, or talk show hosts, and you get my picture. THESE are the dangerous people.

It reminds me of the story in the Old Testament, in Numbers 15:32-36 (for those that wish to read it). Now I know many *newer* religions, get around this stuff by saying they use the New Testament (it has it's fun stuff too, but for now, let's just do this one) due to Christ's Salvation and his, yada yada yada yada yada--I heard this for a long time myself as a Mormon and in some Catholic services I went to.

This guy collects what is essentially firewood on the Sabbath (this was back in the day when not having a fire active in your house/hut/tent/whatever at night could literally mean death--in case you've never been out camping/hiking, fires are VERY important and are a DAMNED LUXURY with our matches, steel wool, sleeping bags made to hold in heat, and other items that make a night in the wilderness go by--gently and one could say comfortably fun).

Instead of just collecting this firewood, making a meal and going to bed, this guy gets caught for working on the Sabbath and is taken to Moses and Aaron. So we all know what that little commandment this is, the one EVERYONE disobeys now (It goes by either of these two definitions and there are more versions--trust me: Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. -OR- Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.). So God buzzes Moses on the iGodphone™ and tells Moses the bad news, or well the good news and the bad news. The bad news is that "unnamed villager" will be taken outside the encampment, with what sounds like most of the people and then stoned to death. The good news, is they get to stone someone (sorry, but back then and with the regularity of which stoning happened I really think people enjoyed it when these edicts came on down...)!

SO, I've seen this tale said many a time and I CANNOT believe the amount of heads I see move up and down while this is repeated. They LITERALLY agree with cold-blooded murder in the first-degree, for GATHERING FIREWOOD!!! In the damned ages BEFORE the Dark Ages-life SUCKED! You NEEDED FIRE!!! It wasn't a question of maybe I'll skip it tonight it was a matter of when do I start it up--every night! So you can see why people like this can be dangerous as someone from on high that they think is their leader gives them what essentially is a crime, they don't think to long about it--they act, and carry out whatever truly horrifying act it was.

This has been abused by many Cult leaders, like the "Alien Comet riders" or also known as Heaven's Gate in California or something even MORE horrifying like Jonestown (something that was horrific--there are some GREAT documentaries on this to watch,; I suggest looking for them) or something semi-recent like (straight from wiki), "The 778 deaths of members of the Ugandan group Movement for the Restoration of the Ten Commandments of God, on March 17, 2000, is considered to be a mass murder and suicide orchestrated by leaders of the group.", so you can see while large religions don't do these WILD events they DO slowly in fact do smaller and incrementally increase their crimes.

You might ask what crimes, but it is literally crimes that we can point to that are AGAINST the VERY FABRIC of your own teachings. Use the Golden Rule in your life and get rid of the authority driven craziness, it will only lead you to sadness, if you're a zealot--fight it within yourself.
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So, anyway, what I'm saying is that I very much agree that there ARE many people that are theistic believers (not just Christan ones mind you) that are GREAT to talk to and many times you don't even have to argue with them you can have laid back conversations with them--it's amazing who you run into.

BUT, for the people I mentioned they are nearly lost causes. I don't know exactly what their problem is but it does have something to do with the fact that they MUST be told a "truth" by a "high-ranking-official" for them to change a stance. They are TRUE believers, ZEALOTS to their cause and dangerous.

A little bit the same as you said @VoodooV, but I thought I'd add a few more nails into that coffin.

Are you familiar with the concept that the world belongs to the living and not the dead? Sure, the US Constitution has some good stuff in it, built upon the collective reason of several previous centuries' of legal thought.

What I'm trying to figure out is why anyone would think that there hasn't been any rational thought on the subject in the last two centuries.

Yogi is right - the Constitution is no more sacred than the paper I wipe my ass with. It certainly holds no magic that renders it invulnerable to time. It is a document written for people living in the 18th century. This is not unlike the Old Testament being largely obviated by the New Testament. The Ten Commandments are meaningless in the face of Christ's sacrifice. The same is true of the laws of man. Yeah, much of what they were saying still makes sense in a narrowly defined way, but ultimately, those laws are useless in our current context.
In reply to this comment by bobknight33:
You dumb ass piece of shit. You typify the losers who are ruining this country. The constitution is what this country is founded on. It is the most document this country has. Its what separates us from dictatorships and other evil forms of governments. How stupid can you be?

Just because our leaders have wiped their asses with it does not make it less important. The words in the document are powerful. Did you ever read it? Or are you some flunky useless member of society?

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^bobknight33:
There is no room in government for Democrats or Republicans. Only those who obey the principles of the constitution. They do take an oath to obey and uphold the constitution but then quickly do as they want for self political gain.
I would say that less then 10% of elected officials truly desire to follow the oath they take.

Who is to blame, the elected officials or are they just the reflection of society?

The constitution is a piece of crap paper that doesn't mean anything. We're a race of highly evolved monkeys clinging to a rock that's hurtling through space and dying. Fuck off with your stupid piece of shit paper and die already.

George Carlin made a similar point by boiling the 10 commands down to one: "Be Cool."

Ah yes, it is here already of course: http://videosift.com/video/George-Carlin-Ten-Commandments

I think the disagreement here basically comes down to whether you consider a particular expression of religion to be a promotion of that religion or one of its doctrines.

I don't see a meaningful establishment of a religion in any of it. I do see a bias towards the 80%-90% of the people who believe in some kind of deity.

The Ten Commandments on the courtroom wall, that's a whole other thread. How can you have a courtroom when the Bible says "Judge not lest ye be judged."


>> ^jonny:

@quantumushroom - I don't understand how you define the boundary of the 1st Amendment's prohibition on government to espouse one religious doctrine over another.
I absolutely agree that in a free society no one has the right to live free from exposure to ideas (or speech or any other expression) that they don't like. But it's one thing to read a prayer on a billboard, and quite another to read it on the wall of a courtroom. When I see the billboard I know that someone cares about that message enough to spend quite a bit of money on it. When I see it in a courtroom, possibly facing the full weight of government authority, I have to wonder if my own religious beliefs will be used against me if they don't conform to what's on the wall.
I don't have a problem with things like a nativity scene in a public park, so long as it is privately sponsored. I don't really have a problem with references to god on money or in the pledge of allegiance. I don't care for it, but in those cases its as much a figure of speech as a religious statement. (The recitation of the pledge in schools is a larger issue, because there you're dealing with kids in an essentially authoritarian environment.)
I think the disagreement here basically comes down to whether you consider a particular expression of religion to be a promotion of that religion or one of its doctrines.

I haven't judged you; I am not your judge. I do follow the ten commandments, and no I do not have portraits of God in my house. Neither are there fake gods and saints at my church; I am not a catholic.

God demands a higher standard than just trying to be good, and that is the standard we will be judged by. You say Jesus Christ has no value, but it is only through Him that our sins are forgiven. Since we cannot earn our way into eternal life, I would say His value is maximal.

I've never said you cannot be moral without God, but Gods standard of good is not anything anyone besides Jesus Christ has ever lived up to. You can be relatively good in comparison to other people, but as I've shown you, even the most pious people have broken His commandments hundreds, if not thousands of times. If you hate anyone, refuse to forgive, lust, steal, lie, etc, you are guilty. We are all guilty of transgressing His laws, and apart from Jesus Christ, we all will face judgement. Unlike pixies, you will be meeting Jesus one day, so get right with God on this side of life. He loves you and He will give you eternal life if you turn to Him.

>> ^G-bar: