>> ^Kofi:

I really didn't like this doco. There is an underlying apologist narrative for steroid use that fails to acknowledge many of the implications that go along with the practice.


Such as?

I really didn't like this doco. There is an underlying apologist narrative for steroid use that fails to acknowledge many of the implications that go along with the practice.

Feeling a bit slow today, Bone? Okay, let me spell it out. Stallone is obnoxious and stupid, and a shitty actor. I can't stand him even a little bit (if you couldn't tell).

This series makes me want to blow his brains out, but I'm pretty sure he doesn't actually have any left...the steroids have already beat me to it.

Nobody has brought up doping yet. I have absolutely no idea how vast it's influence is or how little it may be sought after due to the literal pride of the athletes themselves may be influencing these decisions among their own community (and I do think that the athletes and how they handle those that have done it, might do it, and haven't yet but are just hearing about the possibilities of doping; how they talk and act to stop it when they can amongst themselves and their community is what fights it the best).

I know some of the athletes have been suspended up to four years, but are still allowed to play again. I don't know if it matters what they were doing (as anabolic steroids and its effects will be lifelong if you keep up your routine) as some doping schemes are quick fixes like someone trying to use adrenaline. I mean do they check for that type of thing, a neurotransmitter carrier drug stuck in something like a false tooth; you bite down and in 5-10 seconds your adrenaline shoots forward for 30 seconds... I guess I should look and see how far they've taken this process; I know they are very vigilant, as much as possible. But, I really don't know were the holes are and how big they possibly are.

Training has most defiantly given athletes a superb edge. Not only do they run and work out, but they WATCH themselves run and can see what they are doing run. They just compare it to the best and modify themselves in that fashion gaining seconds, upon seconds. Eventually they learn to add a new twist and soon people are watching HIM or HER for inspiration to win a medal.

I know many athletes get their medals the old-fashioned hard way, proudly and resolute, for their country. It just makes me wonder how far doping has truly influenced the athletes and what areas of their training and structure actually test them correctly with the possibility that there may always be an area, with many athletes all doping (they are tested at the Pre-Olympic qualifiers, The Olympics, but then a shady organization "passes" them all at their home training camp). I hope that it never reaches that scale, but I always have problems when there are some Olympic coaches that have had about six athletes under them, three of them have been caught doping and three are OK--kind of disconcerting...

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I forgot one point I was going to make. You can obviously see from the info-graphic that even training and in absolutely NO WAY can doping account for the 8 year old to the rest of the teenage field of sprinters. It shows to me that perhaps a very long change in diet stopping any malnutrition, FAR better medical care (also limiting disease to a LARGE extent) has lead to a BETTER populace, even genetically which just due to this little clip you could make the case, to some degree. Then you have some of the intangibles like better shoes, better surfaces to run on, and other like changes in our lives that were mentioned and the ones you can think about that weren't. Then you find the cream of the crop athletes, give them superb training, and I truly do think you can see why we have increased those three seconds.

I just merely hope doping isn't behind many victories. I actually wouldn't care if it was someone genetically modified--not grotesquely (to go out of your way to destroy the human form is up to you, but as scientists I don't think we should aim for that--we should aim within that, I also have a feeling that someone grotesque may not be exactly happily received at The Olympics...), just suited to run faster with muscles that are far more dense than usual. As long as genetic changes like this eventually come to almost all of us, changes that enrich and make our lives better (not The Hulk™).

It should be stated that Brussels is an entirely different culture from the rest of Belgium. Brussels is surrounded by Flanders, where they all speak Dutch, but once you go into Brussels, it really is a different culture (not only ethnically, but also linguistically - French is spoken in Brussels instead of Dutch). Brussels has very large Moroccan and Turkish populations (~26%), which are machismo cultures on steroids.

See bamdrew's explanation on paracetamol; it's just the trade name of acetaminophen in certain parts of the world, as tylenol is the tradename in the US. naproxen is another NSAID (non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug) like ibruprofen, and so has a very similar mechanism of action to it. It too is a cox-1 and cox-2 inhibitor, and other drugs exist which are more selective to one or the other, but most have been associated with severe although rare side effects (vioxx was a cox-2 selective inhibitor)

>> ^lucky760:

Fascinating and something I've always wanted to know.
Now how do acetaminophen and naproxen sodium work?

@renatojj

Agreed, bodybuilding does not equal steroids, and steroids do not define bodybuilding. It's simply part of why some people hesitate to respond uncritically when they see a 75 year old bodybuilder.

I'm glad we had this chat.

@kymbos bodybuilding != steroids

It's a typical stereotype, there are people who use it, but it doesn't define bodybuilding.

@renatojj

You're not a naturally inquisitive person are you?

http://www.smh.com.au/executive-style/fitness/all-pumped-up-but-tell-us-how-20110730-1i5cd.html

Thailand is a well known place for widespread steroid abuse.

Yep, sceptical = fat and lazy.

Because the bodybuilding industry is just so healthy!>> ^renatojj:

People who don't exercise regularly => "this is wierd/wrong/disturbing/she must use steroids, etc"
People who exercise regularly => "this is awesome"

People who don't exercise regularly => "this is wierd/wrong/disturbing/she must use steroids, etc"

People who exercise regularly => "this is awesome"

I don't really get that, regarding the "stagy" look. Besides Nolan uses the same cinematographer, Wally Pfister, on all his films, and The Dark Knight, Inception etc, were nothing short of breathtaking visually. So trust in them.

Regarding Bane. Nolan's Batman films have always been more grounded in reality. A huge CG like Bane pumped full of steroids would destroy the feel and groundedness of Nolan's Gotham. Bane is still very much like the comics though. Brutal. Highly intelligent. Cunning. Deadly.>> ^Deano:

After all these trailers something's beginning to bother me. Many of these scenes look a bit "stagy" which is a poor way of saying they don't look particularly believable or cinematic. I'm not sure why but there's something in the way Nolan does action/crowd scenes that looks a bit flimsy, as though you can begin to see everyone as extras and the sets as sets.
Maybe it needs better editing or photography in the first place. I know I'm grasping here, but there's a sense of unreality here.
Hey and wasn't Bane this huge monster with tanks or something? This Bane just looks like a regular guy.

So basically the problem here isn't that people talk to the police. The problem here is that some police and prosecutors are bastards and they have the ability to use these things against you. You stop making the Legal system all about winning an argument, maybe you start trying to get closer to the truth of the matter.

Also there's way too many laws and statutes making this ridiculously confusing. We should get rid of all these bullshit statutes, that is the problem NOT talking to the police. Especially the bullshit Crab and Fish laws, this is ridiculous, why can't we fix THIS shit!

This policy is basically advocating "Don't Snitch" no one talk to the police ever under any circumstances means the police will be segregated from the public even MORE SO. This is just insanity.

Also one of the examples he gives is the fucking bullshit one about Olympic or Professional Athletes. I hate these things more than anything. The Federal Government should focus on things that MATTER, not fucking athletes trying to take steroids. It's utter bullshit!

Steroid State Puff Marshmallow guy with a tire *ban

Hey now, the boy was axin' for someone to mash his matches up with all that, stepping sideways-with those hospital-thin shoulder blades! That scowly-boy need some steroid sammies and a large order of smiles-

*his trunks are held up sandwich-board style-if you look really close there's flesh-colored spaghetti-straps :0