Unjustifiable as their actions are, calling it mindless destruction by spoilt children does no good in my book. There is a reason, there always is a reason, and I highly doubt it is as simple as it is presented to be in most articles I've read so far. They are criminals, yes, but what's their motivation, what's their reasoning? Without knowing the deeper cause, any actions -- crackdowns as many suggest -- will only suppress the problem for the time being, making a later outbreak all the worse.

Particularly if law enforcement plays dirty, pushes the boundaries of the rule of law -- and the use of billboards and social media by the police as a modern pillory, that's on the fucking edge, if you ask me. If one of those bonehead militias acts upon it, the shit could turn ugly real quick.

Anyway, there's no wisdom, no insight I can claim to have from within the isolation of what is commonly known as the middle class; only impressions and thoughts.

However, the violence cannot come as a surprise, given the unrest last winter caused by a raise in tuition fees; it cannot come as a surprise, given the sheer volume of social cuts, particularly small programs. How can anyone be caught off guard by their blatant disregard of the law given how disenfranchised many of them are, and given how the crooks working in the City of London walked away scot-free after the damage they caused, which was magnitude higher. Who speaks out on their behalf? Politicians? Unions? Seems to me, they're on their own, destined to remain invisible -- until they lash out. They appear to be farther removed from the democratic process than anyone would like to admit. Politics, society, community, whatever you want to call it: they have no stakes in the game.

And how surprising is it, really, to find them looting expensive comsumer products -- you are what you wear, right? It's in your face, everywhere, all the time, particularly in a city like London. So now the folks who were cut off from this just snapped and went for it, no matter the rules? I'm shocked!

As for their treatment by the coppers: are ASPOs still handed out left, right and center in certain districts?

But hey, like I said, I'm too far removed from their reality of life to make any meaningful statements, much less suggestions. Just poking in the dark, that's what this is.

LOL>> ^entr0py:

>> ^MarineGunrock:
Only made it 1/4 of the way through. I can't listen to that obnoxious accent any more.

For a Scot he's really not that bad.

>> ^MarineGunrock:

Only made it 1/4 of the way through. I can't listen to that obnoxious accent any more.


For a Scot he's really not that bad.

Oh gawd, think of the Scots!

Scots on an ADVENTURE! *promote

Hmm "new" info here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/bosnia/8045517/Girl-who-threw-puppies-into-river-escapes-unpunished.html

Apparently she got off scot free because she was too young to be charged... this became even more terrible... and it appears that @Keloku was right... the puppies weren't rescued according to peta...

The Scots have great taste in heroin, too.

*ducks*

I got your point... and in the past you would have been correct. This video, and following replies have honestly set me straight. No getting down on anyone because of some artifical line in the sand for me after this. I'M A NEW MAN!

"Actually I'm from Canadian, but America is pretty close and let's face it, we're all pretty similar once you cut through all that bullshit!"

>> ^dannym3141:

>> ^Shepppard:
>> ^dannym3141:
>> ^TickTock:
I love how the English guys are getting down on the Scot. It's an interesting reflection of the state of the world. Geographically, they are so close, but they seem to think they are so different. Drop all of them in downtown Shanghai or Bagdad and no one there would be able to tell them apart.
Give it up, you're all from the UK. In the other 99% of the world no one gives a shit. Move on.

Lol. What i love even more is that you're apparently not from the UK yet making an uneducated statement about the relationship between english/scottish based on jokes about the stereotypical scottish person/stereotypical english person.
Say what you like about our love/hate relationship, but we all died alongside each other protecting the Great!!! British Isles whilst the rest of the (new) world was busy turning a quick profit off the situation and waiting for the winner to be decided. They're all my brothers and sisters and whilst i may make a joke about them, and they may make a joke about me, there's no one finer, braver or tougher i'd rather trust my joint national safety to.
If i said exactly what you said about about americans/canadaians (you're american, right?), you'd bawl your eyes out!

Dear sir:
Go fuck yourself.
~Signed
A Canadian from the "new world" whose ancestors faught and died during BOTH world wars to protect your right to make generalizations about cultures outside of the British Isles.
So, just for fun, while I may not agree with TickTocks statement, Here's a neat picture showing the idiocy of comparing England/Scotland, to Canada/United States. (yes, that's Australia, UK, and U.S., but it gets the point across)
Even more perspective on that, total of area of the UK (Scotland and obviously included) = 244,820 km km/sq.
Ontario, one of canadas smaller provinces, has an area of 917,741 km/sq.
One Canadian province is larger than both your countries combined. So, no, if you said the same thing about Americans/Canadians, I'd probably laugh at you for making such a stupid comparison.

--> "If i said exactly what you said about about americans/canadaians (you're american, right?), you'd bawl your eyes out!"
--> "If i said exactly what"
--> "If i said"
--> "If"
I think that's my point proven right there! Sorry you had to get in the firing line of my insulting generalisation, but that was the point.

>> ^Shepppard:

>> ^dannym3141:
>> ^TickTock:
I love how the English guys are getting down on the Scot. It's an interesting reflection of the state of the world. Geographically, they are so close, but they seem to think they are so different. Drop all of them in downtown Shanghai or Bagdad and no one there would be able to tell them apart.
Give it up, you're all from the UK. In the other 99% of the world no one gives a shit. Move on.

Lol. What i love even more is that you're apparently not from the UK yet making an uneducated statement about the relationship between english/scottish based on jokes about the stereotypical scottish person/stereotypical english person.
Say what you like about our love/hate relationship, but we all died alongside each other protecting the Great!!! British Isles whilst the rest of the (new) world was busy turning a quick profit off the situation and waiting for the winner to be decided. They're all my brothers and sisters and whilst i may make a joke about them, and they may make a joke about me, there's no one finer, braver or tougher i'd rather trust my joint national safety to.
If i said exactly what you said about about americans/canadaians (you're american, right?), you'd bawl your eyes out!

Dear sir:
Go fuck yourself.
~Signed
A Canadian from the "new world" whose ancestors faught and died during BOTH world wars to protect your right to make generalizations about cultures outside of the British Isles.
So, just for fun, while I may not agree with TickTocks statement, Here's a neat picture showing the idiocy of comparing England/Scotland, to Canada/United States. (yes, that's Australia, UK, and U.S., but it gets the point across)
Even more perspective on that, total of area of the UK (Scotland and obviously included) = 244,820 km km/sq.
Ontario, one of canadas smaller provinces, has an area of 917,741 km/sq.
One Canadian province is larger than both your countries combined. So, no, if you said the same thing about Americans/Canadians, I'd probably laugh at you for making such a stupid comparison.


--> "If i said exactly what you said about about americans/canadaians (you're american, right?), you'd bawl your eyes out!"
--> "If i said exactly what"
--> "If i said"
--> "If"

I think that's my point proven right there! Sorry you had to get in the firing line of my insulting generalisation, but that was the point.

>> ^dannym3141:

>> ^TickTock:
I love how the English guys are getting down on the Scot. It's an interesting reflection of the state of the world. Geographically, they are so close, but they seem to think they are so different. Drop all of them in downtown Shanghai or Bagdad and no one there would be able to tell them apart.
Give it up, you're all from the UK. In the other 99% of the world no one gives a shit. Move on.

Lol. What i love even more is that you're apparently not from the UK yet making an uneducated statement about the relationship between english/scottish based on jokes about the stereotypical scottish person/stereotypical english person.
Say what you like about our love/hate relationship, but we all died alongside each other protecting the Great!!! British Isles whilst the rest of the (new) world was busy turning a quick profit off the situation and waiting for the winner to be decided. They're all my brothers and sisters and whilst i may make a joke about them, and they may make a joke about me, there's no one finer, braver or tougher i'd rather trust my joint national safety to.
If i said exactly what you said about about americans/canadaians (you're american, right?), you'd bawl your eyes out!


Dear sir:

Go fuck yourself.

~Signed
A Canadian from the "new world" whose ancestors faught and died during BOTH world wars to protect your right to make generalizations about cultures outside of the British Isles.

So, just for fun, while I may not agree with TickTocks statement, Here's a neat picture showing the idiocy of comparing England/Scotland, to Canada/United States. (yes, that's Australia, UK, and U.S., but it gets the point across)

Even more perspective on that, total of area of the UK (Scotland and obviously included) = 244,820 km km/sq.
Ontario, one of canadas smaller provinces, has an area of 917,741 km/sq.

One Canadian province is larger than both your countries combined. So, no, if you said the same thing about Americans/Canadians, I'd probably laugh at you for making such a stupid comparison.

>> ^TickTock:

I love how the English guys are getting down on the Scot. It's an interesting reflection of the state of the world. Geographically, they are so close, but they seem to think they are so different. Drop all of them in downtown Shanghai or Bagdad and no one there would be able to tell them apart.
Give it up, you're all from the UK. In the other 99% of the world no one gives a shit. Move on.


Yeah, I think you might be forgetting that England and Scotland have a bit of history. Maybe not forgetting, more like just being comfortable going off on one without any knowledge of a subject

>> ^TickTock:

I love how the English guys are getting down on the Scot. It's an interesting reflection of the state of the world. Geographically, they are so close, but they seem to think they are so different. Drop all of them in downtown Shanghai or Bagdad and no one there would be able to tell them apart.
Give it up, you're all from the UK. In the other 99% of the world no one gives a shit. Move on.


Lol. What i love even more is that you're apparently not from the UK yet making an uneducated statement about the relationship between english/scottish based on jokes about the stereotypical scottish person/stereotypical english person.

Say what you like about our love/hate relationship, but we all died alongside each other protecting the Great!!! British Isles whilst the rest of the (new) world was busy turning a quick profit off the situation and waiting for the winner to be decided. They're all my brothers and sisters and whilst i may make a joke about them, and they may make a joke about me, there's no one finer, braver or tougher i'd rather trust my joint national safety to.

If i said exactly what you said about about americans/canadaians (you're american, right?), you'd bawl your eyes out!

I love how the English guys are getting down on the Scot. It's an interesting reflection of the state of the world. Geographically, they are so close, but they seem to think they are so different. Drop all of them in downtown Shanghai or Bagdad and no one there would be able to tell them apart.

Give it up, you're all from the UK. In the other 99% of the world no one gives a shit. Move on.

>> ^rougy:

>> ^smooman:
and whadya mean only 0.08?! 0.08 is dui in all 50 damn states (and dc)!

What has America become?
I can blow a 0.08 for breakfast!


i know, it's embarassing =(

my scot irish ancestors are rolling over in their graves

woohoo scots!