Why didn't they guy answer 'the moon controls the tides' instead of 'I don't know.' That just pushes O'Reilly farther.

I agree with the guy that there are likely 'far' more atheists than that one poll suggests. They've just bent to pressure to go to church and sit in a pew and listen to a guy speak a bunch of nonsense and then write them a check. Especially people in the bible belt, if you don't go to church you are an outcast. If you say your an atheist your run out of town!

I don't personally think religion is a scam. I think it's an extremely outdated way to explain our world and why things happen. It clashes so often with science because science has explained with fact what religion has attempted to explain in the past with myth and story. Because of this religion in the US and around the world has been slowly fading since the sixties and especially since the 80s (I remember as a child in the early 80's my local churches were filled to the brim, today all but a few in my county have less than 20 people and on off-seasons (the summer) rarely have more than 5-10 parishioners.

Religion is outdated and it's not making their leaders remotely as much money (in most of the country) as it used to. So main-stream religion has begun to fight back. To them, there is a war going on. To the rest of the world, we are just waiting for it to become such a small minority we don't have to deal with it on a daily basis.

Frankly if I'd have grown up in the bible belt I would have killed myself by now.

I learned more from the internet then from school. I spent the most time in school trying to avoid these stereotypes. I only succeed in being an outcast. I was a Jock, Geek, Musician. I hated those fucking labels.

Jocks get preferential treatment? I never got any preferential treatment, and I would say I worked harder because I didn't want to fail.

I only saw bullying one time, and I stopped it by stepping between the bully and his prey. He was pissed that someone was trying to get something out of their locker, and they were blocking his way. How fucking stupid is that?

http://videosift.com/video/Band-of-Brothers-We-salute-the-rank-not-the-man

In reply to this comment by ForgedReality:
>> ^MrFisk:

You up-vote the rank, not the person.


This is the same sickening mentality that causes people to vote for class representatives, and public representatives alike (especially Presidents) based upon the individual's perceived popularity of the person in question.

It is based upon the instinct to want to "fit in," rather than forming one's own opinion based upon facts and observations. It's lazy, and it provides a quick excuse for people to not have to actually do the work of forming their own opinions at the risk of becoming the popular outcast. It allows dictatorships to be put into power. And for stupid videos to be upvoted on Videosift.

>> ^BoneRemake:

You didnt get the memo ? I is the new We.


Oh. Well then. That explains it. This is the alternate universe where lemmings are the new humans.

I find it ironic that you missed the joke in such a heavily sarcastic video thread

>> ^ForgedReality:

>> ^MrFisk

This is the same sickening mentality that causes people to vote for class representatives, and public representatives alike (especially Presidents) based upon the individual's perceived popularity of the person in question.
It is based upon the instinct to want to "fit in," rather than forming one's own opinion based upon facts and observations. It's lazy, and it provides a quick excuse for people to not have to actually do the work of forming their own opinions at the risk of becoming the popular outcast. It allows dictatorships to be put into power. And for stupid videos to be upvoted on Videosift.
>> ^BoneRemake:

Oh. Well then. That explains it. This is the alternate universe where lemmings are the new humans.

>> ^MrFisk:

You up-vote the rank, not the person.


This is the same sickening mentality that causes people to vote for class representatives, and public representatives alike (especially Presidents) based upon the individual's perceived popularity of the person in question.

It is based upon the instinct to want to "fit in," rather than forming one's own opinion based upon facts and observations. It's lazy, and it provides a quick excuse for people to not have to actually do the work of forming their own opinions at the risk of becoming the popular outcast. It allows dictatorships to be put into power. And for stupid videos to be upvoted on Videosift.

>> ^BoneRemake:

You didnt get the memo ? I is the new We.


Oh. Well then. That explains it. This is the alternate universe where lemmings are the new humans.

No PC/Windows port, but then the last game wasn't great on it.

I just another want Jedi Academy/Outcast, Dark Forces, etc. Also, X-Wing (Alliance was decent too), TIE Fighter, etc.

I don't know that we pretend it's not there. I'll say this, though - I was studying politics in the late 90s when there were a handful of her party members (One Nation) in the Queensland Parliament. We went on a field trip to the Parliament, and these people sat by themselves, acknowledged by no one else. Every other member of parliament pretended they weren't there. They were complete outcasts, thoroughly ignored by every major party. It was fascinating. Apparently it wasn't just in the sitting house either. Even in the corridors, in the street, at functions - the major parties just pretended they didn't exist. And then, eventually, they didn't exist.

i agree with you DST and i stated as much.
i am not defending his words nor his actions.i disagreed with his tactics and have told him so on more than one occasion.belittling or berating someone whose view is different from your is not conducive for a productive discussion.
what i did speak about was his intent,which was never to be as destructive as it was received.
now this may be due to the fact that choggie and i never had words.
we had disagreements and i would call him on blatant ruses and shenanigans.he never tore in to me..i usually got a chuckle out of him.
even if he did tear into me..who cares?
that is what an ignore function is for.i would never use that function because that just ruins the fun..but that is me..others may be more sensitive to disparaging remarks and maybe they should utilize the ignore function more often.i cannot speak for others.
the other item i addressed was the collective myopia.it does not sit right with me to put blame on a person where it should not lay.the very things some people are complaining about..after the fact mind you...are reactions to choggies hyperbolic commentaries.
ok..i think it is apparent that choggie deserves that for his personalized attacks,but what about those who do the very same thing but in a different form and fashion?
it is hypocritical to point the finger at a man and say "you made me feel like such and such by saying this or that" while at the very same time making others feel just as marginalized and outcast.
does it really matter if the vehicle was polite and cordial if the results are the same?
i can hit you with a tempered steel hammer or a cloth covered baseball bat..either way i am breaking your skull.
see what i am saying?
choggie is responsible for choggie.
he made a deal and broke the terms and people complained forcing dag to end the agreement.
that is the reality.
i am just gonna miss his voice.
i dont have to agree with everything he says to do that..do i?

I actually agree with both of you.

Canada's example absolutely shows how horrific something like this can be. It is easily one of the most embarrassing and sad pieces of Canadian history - something other countries would do well to avoid.

That said, it is despicable on the part of the Roma to not allow their children (particularly girls) to attend schools and join in wider human society. This is one of the many reasons the UN sanctioned NATO to remove the Taliban in Afghanistan - to provide people the freedom of having an education regardless of their gender, social status, religion, etc. People worldwide need to stop blaming "ancient culture" for their idiotic decisions.

>> ^therealblankman:

Just look to Canada to see how well boarding schools work as a social engineering tool used to integrate minorities into the dominant culture. We've lost multiple generations and whole families of indigenous peoples to these policies. I'm sure it'll work just as well in Slovakia.


>> ^EMPIRE:

that's not the problem. they could build all the schools they wanted, that doesn't mean their parents would let or make them attend. they actively avoid becoming a part of so called mainstream society, because of their fucking ignorant traditions.
It's a very touchy subject because Roma are definitely treated as outcasts, but they make themselves into outcasts as well. It's a vicious circle that needs to be permanently destroyed.
For example gypsies here my country wouldn't even let their girls attend school. That's absolutely NOT acceptable in a civilized nation. And when you're a lousy parent, with the excuse of a very shitty ancient culture or not, the government comes and tries to do better than you.

that's not the problem. they could build all the schools they wanted, that doesn't mean their parents would let or make them attend. they actively avoid becoming a part of so called mainstream society, because of their fucking ignorant traditions.

It's a very touchy subject because Roma are definitely treated as outcasts, but they make themselves into outcasts as well. It's a vicious circle that needs to be permanently destroyed.

For example gypsies here my country wouldn't even let their girls attend school. That's absolutely NOT acceptable in a civilized nation. And when you're a lousy parent, with the excuse of a very shitty ancient culture or not, the government comes and tries to do better than you.

Yeah, I get it,
You're an outcast.
Always under attack.
Always coming in last,
Bringing up the past.
No one owes you anything.
I think you need a shotgun blast,
A kick in the ass,
So paranoid. . .
Watch your back!!

Oh my, here we go...

Another lose cannon gone bi-polar
Slipped down, couldn't get much lower.
Quicksand's got no sense of humor.
I'm still laughing like hell.
You think that by crying to me
Looking so sorry that I'm gonna believe,
You've been infected by a social disease.
Well, then take your medicine.

[Chorus:]
I created the Sound of Madness.
Wrote the book on pain.
Somehow I'm still here,
To explain,
That the darkest hour never comes in the night.
You can sleep with a gun.
When you gonna wake up and fight... for yourself?

I'm so sick of this tombstone mentality,
If there's an afterlife,
Then it'll set you free.
But I'm not gonna part the seas
You're a self-fulfilling prophecy.
You think that crying to me,
Looking so sorry that I'm gonna believe,
You've been infected by a social disease.
Well, then take your medicine.

[Chorus]

I created the Sound of Madness.
Wrote the book on pain.
Somehow I'm still here,
To explain,
That the darkest hour never comes in the night.
You can sleep with a gun.
When you gonna wake up...
When you gonna wake up and fight...

[Chorus]

When you gonna wake up and fight... for yourself? [x3]

While most of what you said is true, again, you're missing the point. The fact that you presume to decide for the rest of us what is good and what isn't is fascistic. You're not even using the second-hand smoke argument which is surprising, you just go out and say "hey, this is better, for both of us". It would be like making an argument towards treating obese people as social outcasts (as if they aren't), it is no different than arguing the banning of abortions or of gay marriage, the only difference being the logic you apply is based on science and not on religion. What if anything in a pluralist society is more fundamental than the ability to respect other peoples' ways, different and distasteful as you may find them; especially when in regards to peoples' decisions regarding their own bodies and private lives.

>> ^OhSnapWhat:
Voxels. Nuff said, moving on.


I remember how blown away I was when I played outcast for the first time, Voxels were pretty neat...

>> ^Raaagh:
>> ^Lodurr:
What kind of activist is he if he never publicly shared his grievances? He's not an activist or a hero, he's a terrorist and a murderer.

Read the manifesto, he did a fair bit of stuff.


I found it hard to not skip around while reading it before, I didn't want to imbibe pure crazy.

So he did get pretty active in 1987 in response to a 1986 tax law, the ramifications of which I still don't quite understand. He spent $5,000 on a letter campaign and seemed to expect quick results from that investment, which proves he was already looney long before his kamikaze flight. But in the years leading up to his attack it sounds like he kept well to himself. In a democratic system, just the act of venting your grievances and exercising your voting rights relieves some of that weight on your conscience.

I don't mind people agreeing with Stack's sentiments or statements--I certainly agree with some--it was his methods that were inexcusable. The fact that I agree with him is pure coincidence, like if I found out he drives the same model car I do.

His real grievance, just like the gym shooter from last year, and the Korean American student a few years ago, was that he felt like a victimized social outcast and couldn't empathize with people. It's normal to feel some pity for these guys, but this case frustrates me because there are already people salvaging political momentum out of an innocent person's charred remains.

>> ^dbarry3:
>> ^gwiz665:
^Well then, good sir, show your work. How would you show good/bad in morality? Some issues are certainly more easy than others, murder is always wrong, and such, but other issues are not something to be decided out of any kind of fear, because fear is inherently a personal, egoistical thing. I recoil from flames, because I don't want to get burned. My empathy with others (relate their responses to my own) leads me to help others away from flames as well. As soon as a subject reaches a certain complexity, fear stops (should stop) being a motivator and something else should take over, such as weighing pro/con, looking at something from different angles and so on.
I am not afraid of my government, but I am afraid of a tiger.
or is it?

You are more afraid of a tiger than your government? At least the tiger gets it over with quickly and simply.
When I speak of fear I am not talking about a lunatic paranoia (e.g. Glenn Beck). The concept of a "fearing" man does not fit well in our society's image of what a man should be. There is nothing wrong with the values of courage and bravery, but only a fool claims to live by the popular slogan "No Fear." Fear serves a purpose, but the fool regards it as nothing more than an antiquated response that should not be considered. Same can be said for pain. I remember hearing about a book that spoke on the benefits of pain (if anyone knows of this book please post it). The author spoke about a rare disorder in which individuals do not experience physical pain, and how this can cause for grave difficulties in life (e.g. a person chewing off their own tongue because they could without feeling the pain associated with it). You are completely right in stating that wise consider life by accounting for various factors at play. But without fear we are likely to miscalculate ourselves in relation to the risk associated with the item in question. For instance, Neville Chamberlain demonstrated a lack of appropriate fear for what Nazi Germany was capable of when he promoted a policy of appeasement. So all this to point out that fear is not a response that should be disregarded and labeled as being entirely useless. To do so is to throw the baby out with the bathwater and completely misunderstand the human condition.


I think you are missing my point. Fear is a factor in life, certainly, like pain it is a gut response to something, like a loud noise, fire, tigers. Fear is evolutionarily lodged deep within is, because it has helped the individuals survive. The "feel no pain" disorder is a terrible one, and people usually die young because of it. A life without fear, might not be so great either.

I would make a distinction between "fear", as in terror, scared of, something that involves a real present danger to your person, and the more loose intimidation of governments, of being a social outcast, of one nation invading another. This is not fear, this is a rational response. You think about it, you don't feel it.

And in general, doing something for fear of the consequences if you don't, is a bad reason, in my opinion. I don't do my homework, because otherwise my teacher will be mad at me, I do them because I've made a conscious decision to learn. My reason for not killing a person is certainly not just fear of the police killing me right back, it's because I don't think killing is good in and of itself. And so on.

I would fear a tiger damn well more than any government.