The logic goes like this:

Allan stole a loaf of bread.
Allan is a thief.
Allan is black.
All blacks are thieves.

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:blah blah blah I'm a racist.

>> ^quantumushroom:

I spent half the day at a tent camp for homeless folks, numbering in the 100s.
Monies to support them came all the way from the Vatican. What has the 'atheist charity society' done lately?

If we assume that all atheists are members of the "atheist charity society" in the same way you attribute christian charities to all christians, then you have to count that money as "atheist" money. So, subtract that from the christian charity total, add it to money that non-religious charities make and you've probably, in my country at least, got a figure that's either even or in favour of atheists nowadays.

There isn't a rule stating that ONLY christians can give to christian charity, you know?

However what i like MOST about this comment is that the money they wasted on building a gigantic affluent COUNTRY in the name of christianity could have gone to help people. Instead, they built the vatican with that money. The non-religious charities that i know of work out of a shitty little office and cut just about every expense they can in order to channel more and more money to the needy. So i wonder how much money that makes its way to the vatican from the generous pockets of charitable people is spent on maintaining the vatican lifestyle and other enterprises that could have been better invested in a loaf of bread for a starving person?

Are you going to take a dump straight into the container, or pull a fresh loaf from the toilet and place it in the Rubbermaid? These are the questions that are pertinent to any good conversation. Also, I want to make a retard baby with you.

In reply to this comment by peggedbea:
sure, and ill be sure to save some of this dump i'm going to take later in a tupperware container for the occasion. i hope you like leftovers as much as you like sloppy seconds.

In reply to this comment by thinker247:
I want to touch the inside of your butthole. Lunch?

And pretty soon it'll buy a loaf of bread!

And Ben still has that funny smirk on his face, like he's thinking about bedding your wife.

I read that yesterday Shepppard, and laughed myself silly. The "loaf of french bread" crack is way awesome.

It should also be noted that the actress in question has a college degree and works at a law firm.

"The voice actor who portrayed Palin's daughter, Andrea Fay Friedman, who also has Down Syndrome, responded by saying, "In my family we think laughing is good. My parents raised me to have a sense of humor and to live a normal life. My mother did not carry me around under her arm like a loaf of French bread the way former Governor Palin carries her son Trig around looking for sympathy and votes"

Zing.

shortpig? As opposed to long pig? In addition to not shaking the bacon, make sure you don't let your meat loaf.

Meh. That's nothing compared to my bacon salad sandwhich.

Chopped bacon and mayonnaise salad with two slices of cheese on bread. I'd even say that my cheese stuffed pork loaf beats that chicken sandwhich. The trick is to cook the pork loaf in one of those clay pot contraptions so it stews in it's own fat.

Think I'm kidding?

^ I'm quite certain my economic knowledge is of pretty limited practical use, especially since I've mostly been learning about macroeconomics, in order to become a better judge of the truthfulness of what the various political players have to say about macroeconomic policy.

You two berate me all the time about Austrian economics, so I spent some time learning what the key differences are between it, Keynesianism, and Chicago-style Monetarism, and what each schools' critiques are of each other, as well as some of the economic history of how those theories came to be what they are today.

I also prefer not to rely on "Democrats say X so X is probably right because I agree with them on other things." So when we start talking about bailing out banks, radically expanding the money supply, and fiscal stimulus, I feel like I should make an effort to understand what that means, what the economists have to say about it, and hear their arguments for and against, and come to my own conclusion.

As a result, I can say I mostly agree with what's been done in broad form, I can now point out that Republicans will switch between Keynesian, Monetarist, and Austrian theories, depending on which political outcome they're looking to get, and that most people who hold up "Austrian economics" as a magic talisman for why they're privy to special, deeper knowledge of the economy probably can't identify how it's different from other theories, or respond to the critiques of it that keep it outside of the mainstream of economic thought (present company excepted).

So, back to this loaf of bread. Is there something about the argument I'm making that's factually inaccurate? How much would that loaf of bread cost the next morning?

Is there some reason that the Fed can't contract the monetary base if they see signs of inflation?

I mean, I get that Austrians will say that the Fed will inevitably get that wrong somehow, but certainly they could do it well enough to keep the dollar from collapsing entirely, right?

>> ^blankfist:
What. The. Fuck. The currency's value is driven specifically by its supply. Never in history has it not. In any economy! Stop spreading your partisan misinformation, please!

Okay, deep breaths. Reread what I said that followed the portion you quoted. Read (or reread) the article marinara linked.

Back? Awesome. Now, say I can buy a loaf of bread for $1 today. Let's say after the store closes, the Fed "prints" enough money to double the money supply, gives it to banks, and the banks say "just put it on our account and keep it in your vault, we don't wanna lend that out right now". So the Fed just carts it from the printers to their vault.

Will a loaf of bread cost $2 when the store opens the next day?

Bonus question: Will a euro cost me twice as much that next morning, as soon as the exchange hears about what the Fed's done?

Because Austrian economics is just libertarianism? Well, in that case, I'm glad you recognize people like Thomas Jefferson to be Libertarian in nature. Though, I doubt you could consider Andrew Jackson, the racist father of your Democratic party, to be Libertarian. Obviously neither studied Austrian Economics, but both were adamantly against a centralized bank system. What does that do for your bullshit hypothesis that Austrian Economics is thinly veiled Libertarianism? Probably nothing good, right? Yeah, what I figured.

Okay, let me walk through your reasoning here. You're saying Thomas Jefferson and Andrew Jackson are neither libertarians, nor Austrians, but were anti-central bank. This disproves my theory that Austrians based their theories on axioms designed to support libertarian ideology how?

Here's how you'd go about proving me wrong: name one government policy that Austrian Economic theory recommends that libertarians and anarcho-capitalists would disagree with.

Actually, being against an elitist, big money, powerful central bank is not an idea solely indicative of Austrian Economics. It's a universal idea most agree with... except those who tow their Democratic party lines so blindly and carefully.

There are plenty of people who might disagree with something the Fed's done, or give a negative job rating for the Fed at any given time, but that's different (as in the difference between saying "I hate what Obama's doing" and "I want to eliminate the Presidency entirely"). I think a far more accurate statement would be that most people have no clue what the Federal Reserve is or does -- I'd be shocked if even 20% could accurately tie it to money supply or interest rates.

I want to see some polling backing up your overtly partisan claims. I'd say the number of people who actively want the Fed abolished utterly is pretty small, and tightly linked to the number of people who're blind followers of fans of Ron Paul.

Fucking amazing. That's yours?

In reply to this comment by deathcow:
Yep stars live a long time. Plus the galaxies are generally around also. The universe started out with a big bang, matter starts coallescing and forming structures. Dust clouds form into stars, stars get captured into clusters and galaxies, galaxies get trapped in galaxy groups and interconnected sheets of galaxies. The universe is expanding like a loaf of bread where all points are always getting farther away from all other points, but gravity can keep some of these structures together. The black holes at the centers of these galaxies are holding on to their stars.

I like to take 50+ exposures of galaxies I am working on, but nice results can be had with a lot less exposures, this is only 20 exposures: http://www.scopenews.com/m51postcard.jpg

Yep stars live a long time. Plus the galaxies are generally around also. The universe started out with a big bang, matter starts coallescing and forming structures. Dust clouds form into stars, stars get captured into clusters and galaxies, galaxies get trapped in galaxy groups and interconnected sheets of galaxies. The universe is expanding like a loaf of bread where all points are always getting farther away from all other points, but gravity can keep some of these structures together. The black holes at the centers of these galaxies are holding on to their stars.

I like to take 50+ exposures of galaxies I am working on, but nice results can be had with a lot less exposures, this is only 20 exposures: http://www.scopenews.com/m51postcard.jpg

>> ^keitholbermann:
We have not learned anything from our insatiable consumerism which lead us to our current unsustainable capitalist crisis. We still feel a need to praise clever and risque viral commercials that lure us further down that rabbit hole. I suppose none of us will be happy until we're working 120 hours a week to earn enough to purchase a loaf of bread, a gallon of water and a lady razor.


::YAWN::

We have not learned anything from our insatiable consumerism which lead us to our current unsustainable capitalist crisis. We still feel a need to praise clever and risque viral commercials that lure us further down that rabbit hole. I suppose none of us will be happy until we're working 120 hours a week to earn enough to purchase a loaf of bread, a gallon of water and a lady razor.

I think I pinched off a miracle manna loaf this morning.

I mean, I've been stopped up for DAYS. I know I consider it a huge blessing.