I wish I had a pickle

I don't think I would react that way at all. I care about people that get stepped on by others and not for the person doing the stepping. I don't think that cop should die for what he did but I would love to see some street justice on his ass for hitting a kid, fuck the gender issue. Hell even if it was an adult I'd still be saying wtf.

I just think its fucked up that cops can manhandle people, put people under arrest, or taze someone for talking back or not submitting and becoming their bitch for the duration of the stop. And if someone has the balls to help the person in trouble or the person in trouble resists in any way, the they are fucked. Don't matter if you were right or if the cop was using too much force or anything because if you put a finger on one of them your done. Because in the eyes of most people cops are gods among men.

In my eyes they are just regular damn people with a blue shit and a shiny little badge. And I know lots of people would agree that if you saw someone without that shiny badge treating especially a kid that way, youd want to kick his fuckin ass.

I would also like to say in this case he wasn't dealing with crack heads or dangerous people but kids who just got out of school and jaywalked across the street. It's obvious jaywalking doesn't warrant that type of response and according to the person that said they were there the cop started twisting her arm and then slammed her against the car for yelling back. Fuck that.

I was also surrounded by a group of people once. I got a shitty blame-displacement tongue so I got my ass kicked

>> ^Lawdeedaw:

And I would like two women at one time, a classic car, friends from all over the world who love and adore me, my own country, and a pickle. Sadly, I only have the car and pickle right now...
Your fantasy is a delusion. Think about it... Cops = people + authority... Meaning that if you were a cop, you would do the same thing! Also, imagine one of the attackers pulling a knife. As quick as dead. A crowd gets out of control and one dead cop. But you don't care about the cop, his family or anything. In fact, I don't think you care about the "victims" either... I think you just hate.
I was surrounded by a crowd once and unaided by the local fat-police that refused to help me (I am not a cop btw.) It could have been one dead DeeDaw in a manner of minutes. Thank god for my blame-displacement tongue...
I was also followed by a crack head because I told her to leave my neighborhood after she was in my yard and scared my wife and children. She followed me so close, asked if I was scared in a threatening manner and I was thinking, "You damn right, I cannot stand getting cut." Instead I just glared and she slinked away.

That crowd was anything but hysterical. They stuck around to make sure the situation was resolve in the right way.>> ^Lawdeedaw:
>> ^ToKeyMonsTeR:
Man you equate mental health issues with a kid freaking out cause some guy comes and grabs you for crossing the street? Then proceeds to slam you into a car... Gettin mad and yelling back = mental issue? Give me a break.
I don't care if you're a cop, a judge, or fucking Obama himself, you don't hit a woman like that and you especially don't do it to fucking kids. I can't fucking comprehend how anyone can say it's ok.
Edit: @ grim, well why give the cop the benefit of the doubt and not give it to the citizen they are supposed to be serving and protecting?

Because the citizens do not back off. They only make matters worse.
I am not saying punching a woman in the face is okay, but neither is enciting a near hysteria in a group right either...

It looked like you were directing your threat of violence at me; if not, no harm no foul.

And as far as pensions go, think again. In this day and age, noone is exempt from losing benefits and a pension. There are plenty of police pension plans that stipulate the terms under which an officer can lose his pension. Abuse of authority and becoming a liability to the department through bad conduct are two common situations that a pension can be taken away.

That's why (smart) cops don't abuse people with perceived affluence and/or lawyers.>> ^Mashiki:
Who said anything about a threat? Projecting much. I enjoy pointing out the obvious, and sorry position doesn't make any difference. If you were stupid enough to do it, you'd pay for it too, at the end of the day.
Fun tip point: Pensions are protected, and so is reasonable force under the law in terms of assault. But you'd by and far enjoy losing don't worry. Plenty of case law on it.
>> ^longde:
I don't know who you think you're talking to with your keyboard threats.
If I was stupid enough to get in a position that would let you do that, and you were stupid enough to try, you would never be able to retire. I'd make sure your pension was given to my kids and my lawyers.

>> ^ToKeyMonsTeR:
Man you equate mental health issues with a kid freaking out cause some guy comes and grabs you for crossing the street? Then proceeds to slam you into a car... Gettin mad and yelling back = mental issue? Give me a break.
I don't care if you're a cop, a judge, or fucking Obama himself, you don't hit a woman like that and you especially don't do it to fucking kids. I can't fucking comprehend how anyone can say it's ok.
Edit: @ grim, well why give the cop the benefit of the doubt and not give it to the citizen they are supposed to be serving and protecting?


Because the citizens do not back off. They only make matters worse.

I am not saying punching a woman in the face is okay, but neither is enciting a near hysteria in a group right either...

>> ^swedishfriend:
How else he could have handled it:
1. warn the guy about jaywalking.
2. leave
or, if the girls were yelling at him as soon as he approached the kid:
1. calm everybody the fuck down.
2. warn the kid
3. leave
or, after he grabbed the small girl and tried to arrest her:
1. When the Bigger girl separates him from the smaller girl, back off a few steps.
2. calm everybody down
3. warn all three kids re: behavior and jaywalking
4. leave
-Karl


Except? What? THey would have still been pissed, blamed him and probably kept doing what they always will do. The thing about authority, any kind of authority, is that if you never use it, as you suggest, you don't have it.

>> ^volumptuous:

http://www.kxl.com/pages/7471948.php
"Police said Monday's incident began about 3:10 p.m. when the officer was driving north along Martin Luther King Jr. Way. The officer saw an 18-year-old man jaywalk across the busy street about 15 feet from a pedestrian overpass. After the officer stopped the man, he saw four women jaywalk at the same location and ordered them to come over to his patrol car, police reports say. At that point, the women became verbally antagonistic, and one turned and began walking away, police said.
When the officer approached her and began escorting her back to his car, the report says, she tensed and pulled away, ignoring his order to put her hands on the patrol car. By then, a crowd had gathered. Police said the officer then began trying to handcuff her."

Apparently breaking a law, then refusing police orders, and then pushing a police officer is somehow OK and according to Nordlich, the officer should've been beaten to shit by an angry mob.
Just, wow.

edit/update: Both of these "poor girls", Angel L. Rosenthal, and her friend, Marilyn Ellen Levias, have criminal records. Angel's is pretty hefty.
http://dw.courts.wa.gov


I figured that's how it went. I drive up MLK every once in a while. There's a great butcher in Columbia City.

There is a lot of jaywalking in Seattle. I do it all the time. I look both ways and take responsibility for myself. I've even seen police pull over to talk with jaywalkers. Every time I've seen it, the police officer scolds them and sometimes forces them to walk another whole minute to an actual cross walk.

So let's be honest about this situation. It seems that the police officer stopped the women for jaywalking and they blew up. Ever seen a cop try to give a warning and have antagonist people turn the situation into way more than it had to be. I think at that point, most cops internally say fuck it and arrest the offenders. Then they physically resisted.

The cop needs to take some training with emphasis on some effective holds to quickly subdue the person he is trying to arrest.

As for hitting a woman... I'm a gentleman, but if a woman is attacking me, I'll punch her. It is utter b.s. to dismiss the consequences of someone's action just because of their sex. Maybe I read too many Louis L'Amour books as a kid.

>> ^ToKeyMonsTeR:
I'd like to live in a free country where cops can't abuse their power because citizens will stand up to their bullshit if they do abuse that power. Right now people act like cops are gods among men.


And I would like two women at one time, a classic car, friends from all over the world who love and adore me, my own country, and a pickle. Sadly, I only have the car and pickle right now...

Your fantasy is a delusion. Think about it... Cops = people + authority... Meaning that if you were a cop, you would do the same thing! Also, imagine one of the attackers pulling a knife. As quick as dead. A crowd gets out of control and one dead cop. But you don't care about the cop, his family or anything. In fact, I don't think you care about the "victims" either... I think you just hate.

I was surrounded by a crowd once and unaided by the local fat-police that refused to help me (I am not a cop btw.) It could have been one dead DeeDaw in a manner of minutes. Thank god for my blame-displacement tongue...

I was also followed by a crack head because I told her to leave my neighborhood after she was in my yard and scared my wife and children. She followed me so close, asked if I was scared in a threatening manner and I was thinking, "You damn right, I cannot stand getting cut." Instead I just glared and she slinked away.

Who said anything about a threat? Projecting much. I enjoy pointing out the obvious, and sorry position doesn't make any difference. If you were stupid enough to do it, you'd pay for it too, at the end of the day.

Fun tip point: Pensions are protected, and so is reasonable force under the law in terms of assault. But you'd by and far enjoy losing don't worry. Plenty of case law on it.

>> ^longde:

I don't know who you think you're talking to with your keyboard threats.
If I was stupid enough to get in a position that would let you do that, and you were stupid enough to try, you would never be able to retire. I'd make sure your pension was given to my kids and my lawyers.

Browsing through the records....

Angel Rosenthal has Theft and Robbery charges.
Marilyn Levias has Assault charges.

Anyway, jaywalking is a really bad problem at one intersection I have to go through all the time since it's near work. So, I'd like to see cops bust people more for it personally. It causes major traffic problems and has led to accidents due to vehicles trying to avoid running over the jaywalkers as they dart into traffic at random locations and cross when the crosswalk tells them not to. It's especially bad on the green arrow turn lanes, they constantly cross at that point and you got cars in the intersection held up because people are crossing. I know one guy got mowed down in the middle of winter for being out in the street in the dark with dark clothes on, it wasn't the first guy to jaywalk in the pitch black and won't be the last. Bus jaywalking is the worst of them all, they get off the public transport bus and run across 4 lanes of traffic where at least one direction can't see them at all until they've already entered traffic and it tends to be 5+ people..

It's dangerous as hell for everyone on or next to the road, and that's why there are laws preventing it. I could see warning people if they do it in light traffic, but if it's a heavy traffic area I think it warrants a ticketing and perhaps so did the police officer.


>> ^volumptuous:

http://www.kxl.com/pages/7471948.php
"Police said Monday's incident began about 3:10 p.m. when the officer was driving north along Martin Luther King Jr. Way. The officer saw an 18-year-old man jaywalk across the busy street about 15 feet from a pedestrian overpass. After the officer stopped the man, he saw four women jaywalk at the same location and ordered them to come over to his patrol car, police reports say. At that point, the women became verbally antagonistic, and one turned and began walking away, police said.
When the officer approached her and began escorting her back to his car, the report says, she tensed and pulled away, ignoring his order to put her hands on the patrol car. By then, a crowd had gathered. Police said the officer then began trying to handcuff her."

Apparently breaking a law, then refusing police orders, and then pushing a police officer is somehow OK and according to Nordlich, the officer should've been beaten to shit by an angry mob.
Just, wow.

edit/update: Both of these "poor girls", Angel L. Rosenthal, and her friend, Marilyn Ellen Levias, have criminal records. Angel's is pretty hefty.
http://dw.courts.wa.gov

I don't know who you think you're talking to with your keyboard threats.

If I was stupid enough to get in a position that would let you do that, and you were stupid enough to try, you would never be able to retire. I'd make sure your pension was given to my kids and my lawyers.


>> ^Mashiki:
>> ^longde:
I wish the people rooting on the officer could spend a week with over-aggressive cops in their neighborhood. Perhaps a sucker punch to your mother's or sister's face for leaving dog crap on the sidewalk will open your eyes.
As self righteous as some of you are, I doubt you would quietly be arrested if you thought the cop was wrong.

Tip: If you have problems with the cops in your neighborhood you have a recourse. It's called going down to the precinct/station and filing a complaint.
Considering dog shit isn't anywhere near as to grabbing a cop when they're already dealing with someone, you don't have much of a clue. Maybe you could go and head out on a few ride alongs and find out what it's like to deal with the assholes and shitrats of society. But nah that's beyond you. But just remember, back about 4-10 years ago...no one wanted to be cops. So for all those bad cops you got, you're reaping what you've sown. Many of the cops that have been hired in the US in the last 10yrs don't fit the grade because they would hire anyone, because of mass shortages. But that really doesn't excuse people for being idiots and thinking that they're above the law, and can assault a cop.
And just to add an extra bit. If I was out on beat, and you spit on me. You'd be eating the sidewalk and getting an assault charge with it.

>> ^longde:

I wish the people rooting on the officer could spend a week with over-aggressive cops in their neighborhood. Perhaps a sucker punch to your mother's or sister's face for leaving dog crap on the sidewalk will open your eyes.
As self righteous as some of you are, I doubt you would quietly be arrested if you thought the cop was wrong.

Tip: If you have problems with the cops in your neighborhood you have a recourse. It's called going down to the precinct/station and filing a complaint.


Considering dog shit isn't anywhere near as to grabbing a cop when they're already dealing with someone, you don't have much of a clue. Maybe you could go and head out on a few ride alongs and find out what it's like to deal with the assholes and shitrats of society. But nah that's beyond you. But just remember, back about 4-10 years ago...no one wanted to be cops. So for all those bad cops you got, you're reaping what you've sown. Many of the cops that have been hired in the US in the last 10yrs don't fit the grade because they would hire anyone, because of mass shortages. But that really doesn't excuse people for being idiots and thinking that they're above the law, and can assault a cop.

And just to add an extra bit. If I was out on beat, and you spit on me. You'd be eating the sidewalk and getting an assault charge with it.

So?

Innocent until proven guilty. No double jeopardy.

And of course the police would give an account favorable to the cops.


>> ^volumptuous:
http://www.kxl.com/pages/7471948.php
"Police said Monday's incident began about 3:10 p.m. when the officer was driving north along Martin Luther King Jr. Way. The officer saw an 18-year-old man jaywalk across the busy street about 15 feet from a pedestrian overpass. After the officer stopped the man, he saw four women jaywalk at the same location and ordered them to come over to his patrol car, police reports say. At that point, the women became verbally antagonistic, and one turned and began walking away, police said.
When the officer approached her and began escorting her back to his car, the report says, she tensed and pulled away, ignoring his order to put her hands on the patrol car. By then, a crowd had gathered. Police said the officer then began trying to handcuff her."
Apparently breaking a law, then refusing police orders, and then pushing a police officer is somehow OK and according to Nordlich, the officer should've been beaten to shit by an angry mob.
Just, wow.
edit/update: Both of these "poor girls", Angel L. Rosenthal, and her friend, Marilyn Ellen Levias, have criminal records. Angel's is pretty hefty.
http://dw.courts.wa.gov

http://www.kxl.com/pages/7471948.php

"Police said Monday's incident began about 3:10 p.m. when the officer was driving north along Martin Luther King Jr. Way. The officer saw an 18-year-old man jaywalk across the busy street about 15 feet from a pedestrian overpass. After the officer stopped the man, he saw four women jaywalk at the same location and ordered them to come over to his patrol car, police reports say. At that point, the women became verbally antagonistic, and one turned and began walking away, police said.

When the officer approached her and began escorting her back to his car, the report says, she tensed and pulled away, ignoring his order to put her hands on the patrol car. By then, a crowd had gathered. Police said the officer then began trying to handcuff her."


Apparently breaking a law, then refusing police orders, and then pushing a police officer is somehow OK and according to Nordlich, the officer should've been beaten to shit by an angry mob.

Just, wow.


edit/update: Both of these "poor girls", Angel L. Rosenthal, and her friend, Marilyn Ellen Levias, have criminal records. Angel's is pretty hefty.
http://dw.courts.wa.gov

Perfectly worded. Agreed.>> ^swedishfriend:

How else he could have handled it:
1. warn the guy about jaywalking.
2. leave
or, if the girls were yelling at him as soon as he approached the kid:
1. calm everybody the fuck down.
2. warn the kid
3. leave
or, after he grabbed the small girl and tried to arrest her:
1. When the Bigger girl separates him from the smaller girl, back off a few steps.
2. calm everybody down
3. warn all three kids re: behavior and jaywalking
4. leave
-Karl

>> ^swedishfriend:

context from a guy who was there:
young man gets stopped for jaywalking. Cop wants to arrest him and the girls get angry and start yelling. C


Sounds like this person wasn't actually there. The girls were the ones who were jaywalking, which is why they were also cited for it.

btw: what's your source for "a guy"?