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Yep, I would excuse if it was open-heart surgery and the patient died, or say a military technician who accidently spilled coffee on the "drop all bombs" button.

Otherwise, this is a question of man's inhumanity to man. Someone needs to give him a big glass of shut the fuck up.

>> ^Yehoshua:
First pull out, bulldoze the checkpoints and the walls, open the borders, remove all of the settlements, release all of Palestinians imprisoned in Israel, call off any pending assassinations, restore the borders to where they were in '67, then peace?

That would be a good start but this will never be initiated by the Israelis or the Palestinians, the only real power broker that could bring both parties to the table and diplomatic relations would be the US and the EU, without taking the sides of either party.

The US is too pro-Israel and too politically stubborn to stand up to Israel even though bringing this to a finality would resolve alot of middle eastern hostility to America. The Arabs see Israeli pilots in American planes dropping American bombs (even though most GCC states buy arms wholesale from the US themselves a fact under reported in local arab media).

The US should bring forward GCC states to the table as well and enforce their acceptance of Israel as a state. The sheer idiocy imposed in the Middle East against Israel is retarded Kindergarten stuff, simply used to divert public attention away from their own corrupt governments something especially seen in Egypt and Saudi Arabia.

UN forces would be needed to arrange security zones and provide disengagement, neither Israel nor Hamas would accept either as a security component in any shape or form. UN Peace keeping forces could be brought in and provide the same middle man entity as it did in the Balkan conflicts. Jerusalem would be best created as a separate state within a state along the lines of the Vatican to prevent religious tensions between both religious groups as there extremist orthodox Jews and Muslims.

With such imposition attacks would be far more rare as the majority of the population would be accepting of these terms and thus these attacks would gain no political or social traction, an unwilling population who sees no benefit and loss of hope through attacks becomes friendly and would oust terrorist themselves, this is not the case clearly now, as IDF bombs them so they support retaliation. Though it would not guarantee it as too much blood has been split, on both sides. But this is what happens when you let a conflict fester for 60 years.

Am surprised you think that hostile actions could only come from Palestine and not Israel. Israel is not exactly saintly when it comes to being rational in its application of force.

Even within Israel and Jewish communities around the world there is large dissent over IDF actions in Gaza as they have seen this happen time and time again and know that such hostile actions coupled with large civilian deaths (a third of which are children) would only create blow back.

The problem with Israel's arsenal of Nukes is that its a secret and was only discovered when an Israeli brought forth information about it. Your claim later on is false I believe, I don't trust any nation with nukes I do not believe one nation or the other is more sensible when it comes to the application of nuclear weapons.

To say Iran would detonate a nuke is to take that situation and not go into the details of what actually occurred, the IAEA has stated time and time again that Iran has no nuclear weapons programs. Iran as a whole is in economic straits and possess none of the technology to actually create a nuclear weapon. Iran's stance and progression and threats towards those means however is simply a symptom of the hypocritical notion that some nations can be trusted with nuclear technology and not others, not to mention the sudden international attention acquisition of nuclear arms creates. Look at how the US rushed to North Korea to placate it to disarm its nuclear programs. But I digress.

However I know full well that the scenario you and I propose will never see the light of day. Because no one gives a shit really.

^ ^ Ignorance defined..

You don't respond to anyone, just keep throwing out shifting arguments.. Ok, if INTERNATIONAL LAW is obviously the most important consideration, then it doesn't really matter about Hamas following it, because Israel is in violation of many International Lawa.

Are we to count the violations and weigh them against each other.

Which is worse, bombing schools and infrastructures, killing women and children... Or not wearing a uniform and hiding among civilians?

How can you say it is guerilla fighters fault when a school is bombed in the middle of the day, full of children? What if a Hamas dude ran into an Israeli school? What if an Iraqi terrorist ran into a US school and started shooting? (At the police, or even rockets)

Not apt enough, because clearly these children knew about this tactic and were in on it?? Ok, what about Waco or similar circumstance? Why not drop a bomb on them? (Ok, well technically we did but it was tear gas and flash bangs that set the place on fire...)

If this is for real, we can just drop The Bomb now and get it over with.

I'm not taking either side of the issue, so don't think I'm implying anything by asking this question but:

Is the "appropriate" response, while a mortar attack is ongoing and potentially killing innocent people at the receiving end, to sit by and allow the attackers to continue their assault indefinitely?

Putting aside why either side does what (e.g., launching mortars from a school), just generally speaking in terms of offense/defense, if someone is continually launching weapons killing people from a distance and they don't stop (because they have no reason to stop while Israel exists), what should the response of the attacked people be? I'm trying to conceive of a viable alternative to 1) sitting and watching as innocent people in your own country are being killed, hoping it stops some time soon, and 2) launching an attack against the attackers to force them to stop.

Again, I'm just looking for a better understanding of the differing points of view, not spouting rhetoric.

Also, I don't know the results of this specific incident. Did the IDF drop a bomb destroying the entire school?

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To be clear, my questions are more in general than this specific attack. Whether mortars or rockets, near or far, schools or hospitals, the issue remains.

Tom Lehrer:So Long, Mom (A Song For World War III)
This song is performed by Tom Lehrer and appears on the album That Was The Year That Was (1993).

So long, mom,
I'm off to drop the Bomb
So don't wait up for me
But while you swelter
Down there in your shelter
You can see me
On your TV

While we're attacking frontally
Watch Brinkally and Huntally
Describing contrapuntally
The cities we have lost
No need for you to miss a minute
Of the agonizing holocaust
Yeah!

Little Johnny Jones
He was a US pilot
And no shrinking violet
Was he, he was mighty proud
When World War III was declared
He wasn't scared
No siree!

And this is what he said on
His way to Armageddon:

So long, mom,
I'm off to drop the Bomb
So don't wait up for me
But though I may roam
I'll come back to my home
Although it may be
A pile of debris

Remember, mommy,
I'm off to get a commie
So send me a salami
And try to smile somehow
I'll look for you
When the war is over
An hour and a half from now!

http://lyricwiki.org/Tom_Lehrer:So_Long,_Mom_(A_Song_For_World_War_III)

This myth is a complete lie. This story about "millions of Americans would die" and Japan would never surrender, so the A-bomb was the only choice...

It's a complete lie and simple-minded people keep repeating the gov't propaganda. Go read the no declassified presidential records on this. Truman admits much of the truth.

Why drop two bombs? Why was one not good enough?

The truth is that the Russians were marching towards Japan. If Russian army would have got there, they would be the "conquerors" and Japan would have been under their rule for the last half century. Instead the US rebuilt Japan and created a different foothold into the far East.

For the record, I think the asshole who signed their names to the side of bombs, like Fat Man or Little Boy will rot in hell. I'm obviously not talking about the pilots.

Anyways, go read some Truman diaries. He clearly only used the bombs to end the war a few days earlier and under US victory terms, to keep the Russians out.

http://www.nuclearfiles.org/menu/library/correspondence/truman-harry/corr_diary_truman.htm

July 18 1945 - ... P.M.[Churchill] and I ate alone. Discussed Manhattan (it is a success).

Decided to tell Stalin about it. Stalin had told P.M. of telegram from Jap Emperor asking for peace. Stalin also read his answer to me. It was satisfactory. Believe Japs will fold up before Russia comes in.

I am sure they will when Manhattan appears over their homeland. I shall inform Stalin about it at an opportune time.

What do you know about these bombs? Exactly what is their rate of failure? What is their yield when they detonate? What precision do you expect from war? Are you objecting to war in general or just these weapons? Look, no one wants any innocent to die. But if we are in a war than we have to destroy the enemy. That means we have to drop fucking bombs to destroy their tanks, planes, infrastructure, communications etc. That's reality. We are using the most state of the art weapons platforms on Earth to ensure minimal civilian casualties. No other country on this planet goes to such great lengths to make sure that the people we kill are actually the enemy. None. This isn't about agreeing with Iraq or any of that shit. Those guys there don't have the luxury of that shit. They are in a war. They're fighting for their lives. These are the weapons we use. Their enemies are the ones to use improvised explosives that look like dolls etc. All of our ordinance is labeled and marked in international symbols. Don't blame us for using bombs in a war zone.
Making statements about "leaving behind millions of bomblets" is complete bullshit. It's just not reality. Not even close.

I don't think these devices should be used either. When you drop a single bomb there is a chance it might not explode. When you drop a bomb with hundreds of little bombs in it there is a larger chance that you'll have something left over. Anyone that is not worried about this clearly doesn't ever worry or think about people that have no choice but to try to make a living in a war zone. Leaving behind millions of bomblets isn't a good way make civilians happy after you leave and try to rebuild relations in the future.

Cluster bombs = war crimes in my book.

It's a "people bomb" in as much as it helps to immobilize people where they are dropped.

Cluster bombs also have a tendency to kill children, who mistake them for new toys.

When the MC's came, to live our their name
And to perform (forrrrm)
Some had, to snort cocaine (caiiinnne) to act insane (sannne)
with before Pete Rock-ed it on, now gone
that the mental plane (plaaanne) to spark the brain (brainnn)
with the building to be born
Yo RZA flip the track with the what to guy
Check em check chicka icka etta UHH

Fake niggaz get blitzed
and mic bites I swing swords and cut clowns
Shit is too swift to bite you record and write it down
I flow like the blood on a murder scene, like a syringe
on some loud howl shit, to insert a fiend
But it was yo ock, the shop stolen heart
Catch a swollen heart from not rollin smart
I put mad pressure, on phony wack rhymes that get hurt
Shit's played, like zodiac signs on sweatshirt
That's minimum, and feminine like sandals
My minimum table stacks a verse on a gamble
Energy is felt once the cards are dealt
With the impact of roundhouse kicks from black belts
that attack, the mic-fones like cyclones or typhoon
I represent from midnight to high noon
I don't waste ink, nigga I think
I drop megaton BOMBS more faster than you blink
Cause rhyme thoughts travel at a tremendous speed
Clouds of smoke, of natural blends of weed
Only under one circumstance is if I'm blunted
Turn that shit up, my clan in da front want it

I'm on a Mission, that niggaz say is Impossible
But when I swing my swords they all choppable
I be the body dropper, the heartbeat stopper
Child educator, plus head amputator
Cause niggaz styles are old like Mark 5 sneakers
Lyrics are weak, like clock radio speakers
Don't even stop in my station and attack
while your plan failed, hit the rail, like Amtrak
What the fuck for? Down by law, I make law
I be justice, I sentence that ass two to four
round the clock, that state pen time check it
With the pens I be stickin but you can't stick to crime
Came through with the Wu, slid off on the DL
I'm low-key like seashells, I rock these bells
Now come aboard, it's Medina bound
Into the chamber, and it's a whole different sound
It's a wide entrance, small exit like a funnel
So deep it's picked up on radios in tunnels
Niggaz are fascinated how the shit begin
Get vaccinated, my logo is branded in your skin

Are you gonna drop the Bomb or not?

*dark *fear

first 8-track I ever bought on my own.
glad to see it sifted!

In reply to this comment by DrPawn:
YOU DROPPED THE BOMB ON ME BABY

YOU DROPPED THE BOMB ON ME BABY

How many samples can you name?

Even better, how many can you identify on VS?? here's two of 'em:

http://www.videosift.com/video/GAP-BAND-You-Dropped-A-Bomb-On-Me
http://www.videosift.com/video/Dee-Lite-Groove-Is-In-The-Heart

(damn I can't find Orbison!)