@Sarzy

I actually re-activated my account a couple weeks ago, and I've been playing through the "Cataclysm" content with some friends, but this is actually going to send me away from WoW, possibly for good.

It actually has nothing to do with the zones, to be honest I think that's kinda cool. But the fact that the Pandas can join either faction seems kinda meh to me in the first place, but they're also once again streamlining the game so that it's again got far less choices.

WoW has gotten progressively easier over the years, some changes for the better, some obviously just to make it easier. Mounts acquired at far lower levels and lowered cost, dungeons streamlined to be made shorter, and far easier, flying mounts in Azeroth, and finally the biggest one, they completely re-vamped the talent system, giving spells you'd normally get at level 60 at level 10.

Now, with this expansion, they're once again re-vamping the talent trees so that instead of having your 31 points (reduced from something like 70 points) they're once again reducing that to about.. 10-15, Essentially forcing you to play a certain style and once again making the game rediculously easier.

>> ^garmachi:

Bah! I wish I could retract my upvote. The last 30 seconds counteracted all of the previous awesomeness.


Screwed, screwed, screwed, screwed!

>> ^Drax:

I've been beta testing SW:ToR and it's turned WoW into a memory for me now at this point. That's all I can say though really.


Which means it's lightyears ahead? I've been leveling through Cataclysm several times and the writing for the quests is great...just hilarious and engaging at times. However it is still just writing in my game...to me that's the biggest leap forward in engaging the audience...voices. I can't remember the last time I had the sound on in WoW...there's nothing interesting.

>> ^RFlagg:

Even if this is the next expansion, and that is possible since they did register the trademark for it (but with Diablo 3 coming out, not sure they would risk splitting the player base and hold off on an actual expansion for a while later, then again Cataclysm isn't doing as well as they hoped and they said they want faster times between expansions... and I would guess there will be some Titan info coming out at this years BlizzCon which would also take away the expansions thunder), this doesn't mean the Pandarens will be a playable race. I doubt they would let them be a playable race unless they have a mechanic to let it be neutral. He kept calling it class rather than race, but as to their classes, I would guess there would be some sort of martial art type class that would be unique to them, and I would guess they would kick ass if they were playable. If it is a WoW expansion, and I doubt it, then I doubt they are playable and likely just the area that opens up, and neutral to both sides, but plenty of beer available, and perhaps a brewers secondary profession.
My guess is that the Mists of Pandaria is likely a mobile app or Facebook/Google + type app rather than a proper WoW expansion. Either way I am sure BlizzCon will answer that.
My BlizzCon predictions are that it will largely be about Diablo 3, with Titan getting some initial details to expand on the earnings report that said it will be a casual game... I take casual to be like Farmvile, others say WoW itself is casual so who knows what they meant by Titan being casual. Mists of Pandaria will be a third also ran story if it is indeed just a mobile or social gaming app.


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Even if this is the next expansion, and that is possible since they did register the trademark for it (but with Diablo 3 coming out, not sure they would risk splitting the player base and hold off on an actual expansion for a while later, then again Cataclysm isn't doing as well as they hoped and they said they want faster times between expansions... and I would guess there will be some Titan info coming out at this years BlizzCon which would also take away the expansions thunder), this doesn't mean the Pandarens will be a playable race. I doubt they would let them be a playable race unless they have a mechanic to let it be neutral. He kept calling it class rather than race, but as to their classes, I would guess there would be some sort of martial art type class that would be unique to them, and I would guess they would kick ass if they were playable. If it is a WoW expansion, and I doubt it, then I doubt they are playable and likely just the area that opens up, and neutral to both sides, but plenty of beer available, and perhaps a brewers secondary profession.
My guess is that the Mists of Pandaria is likely a mobile app or Facebook/Google + type app rather than a proper WoW expansion. Either way I am sure BlizzCon will answer that.
My BlizzCon predictions are that it will largely be about Diablo 3, with Titan getting some initial details to expand on the earnings report that said it will be a casual game... I take casual to be like Farmvile, others say WoW itself is casual so who knows what they meant by Titan being casual. Mists of Pandaria will be a third also ran story if it is indeed just a mobile or social gaming app.

He makes good points. But, my point is, is that this guy is the most common denominator Blizzard fan. It's funny that he dislikes Cataclysm so much but still has a trove of WoW posters including a Cata poster on his wall, haha SHEESH!

>> ^netean:

Whilst a huge game, with lots to potentially do.. All I (too) noticed in the vid was:
"yet more grind"
(after three months of solid grinding, I got so fed up running from here to there to gather, collect, kill x number of Xs. I gave up)
They really should rename it:
"The sad and lonely world of Grindcraft"


Funny part is it's less Grindy than a LOT of MMOs.

>> ^Psychologic:

>> ^ant:
>> ^DerHasisttot:
The music is vury nice. The video makes me almost want to play World of Warcrack. ALMOST. :-)

I will wait for WoW to go F2P in a decade.

The subscription fee is not the true cost of that game. =)


Never has a truer comment been said.

>> ^ant:

>> ^DerHasisttot:
The music is vury nice. The video makes me almost want to play World of Warcrack. ALMOST. :-)

I will wait for WoW to go F2P in a decade.


The subscription fee is not the true cost of that game. =)

>> ^DerHasisttot:

The music is vury nice. The video makes me almost want to play World of Warcrack. ALMOST. :-)


I will wait for WoW to go F2P in a decade.

Eh... composed music is overrated. One of my favorite aspects of WoW, even moreso in BC was the ambient noise. The sound was damn near experimental but always felt rock solid along with the art direction. I liked the new Cataclysm content for 1-60 but after burning through the 80-85 bit I'm done with WoW, forever. I will always fondly look upon the years I played it on and off.

GW2 looks great and I'll definitely get it - but seriously, we need to get back to basics. Forget WoW for a second and let's make a virtual world, remember one of the first MMO's Ultima Online? Yeah, we need to revisit something on that scope in 3D. Do you remember how much more was possible in UO than in 99% of these shite MMOs? I used to walk upon entire PC run cities, I used to have a two story house by a productive mine, I used to live there! I used to have ship battles with many other people. One time I stole a rival guild's ship that was filled to the brim with weapons and armor and unloaded it to guildmates in a port outside of another city.

WoW is an amazing game but people have to realize that it isn't necessarily that WoW recycled all of it's elements from elsewhere... it did so with so much style and balance (not so sure if that balance is still there). Blizzard are king's of gameplay mechanics of which they have many armchair critics. I think probably that they are always changing the mechanics to always make the game feel like the gameplay is changing because it is the only way to make the game feel like it is a tad different because obviously, the player has no impact on the world of Azeroth. It is original in the way it tackled many MMO problems. But, stop trying to mimic it, it's a losing battle. Zones were cool in WoW, but the other original MMO UO was a full on virtual world. That is where we need to go again. If someone wants to get rid of their old armor and set it on the ground, they should be able to do so. If they want to build a vendor outside of the city, they should be able to do that. If they want to explore the open seas - they should be able to do that. If they want to try to pickpocket a PC or a NPC's wares... If they want to set portals to certain areas attached to a rune... fully customizable gear... Where are you Lord British, hiding in your castle? For the most part MMOs are a terribly, shitty waste of time and money.

>> ^gwiz665:

"Video forbidden" = blocked?


Might be some sort of embedding disabled thing.

The original source was this: http://kotaku.com/#!5704885/the-creepiest-rebirth-of-post+cataclysm-azeroth

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:

kceaton1
Wow - and I thought I typed long posts. I tip my helm, sir.
I enjoy WoW for various reasons. It has the solo experience down to a T and you can find enjoyable ways to spend your time doing PVP, or dailies, or solo questing, or PUG dungeons (shudder), or crafting, of achievements, or other stuff. If you're in a fun guild then you can do dungeons & raids for fun as well. It isn't just the 'lewts' and numbers. Yahtzee has it wrong there. Any raider worth his salt will tell you without blinking it is the fun of raiding with friends, and solving what are (essentially) multi-player puzzles.
And you don't have to be 'addicted' to do it. I putz around in WoW for maybe an hour or two in the late evenings on 2 or 3 nights a week after the kids are down & the wife is doing other stuff. I was easily able to get to level 85 in a couple weeks that way (plus a day or two of multi-hour gaming over the holiday). My guild raids one night a week, for a 2-hour stint. Easily doable while leaving plenty of time for myraids of other interests. Moderation. It's all about moderation.


I knew that'd be a long post, but I was trying to include ALL (or almost all) the issues I've had with MMO's and WoW in specific. I felt giving a "summarily summarized" post would be nothing more than noise -- as I've seen my fair share of on "x" MMO forum.

The only reason I posted anything of that length is that I hate to be misunderstood. If there's one thing I've learned on the Internet is that: while being succinct is nice and prudent were it can be used (without compromising your premise and argument), it's a horrific thing to do when you're trying to make useful observations and criticisms. Also, when giving solutions for the target of the criticism. For programmers (and I've been there) the more someone tries to "succinctly critique" a request/argument for you, the less helpful it is, for you. Though my statement may have been superfluous, I did want to cover all my issues with the approach of designers to current MMO design.

Some people read it (as I would assume you read did) and voted it up, so I'd say some appreciate a thorough approach. It's easy to write a lot about this subject for the mere reason that I've played so many others MMOs other than WoW. Each one adds one or two more things to the mix, but there has yet to be a revolution in the mechanics. I, of which, believe that this is something long past due.

The short fact is that I'm someone with programming experience and a slightly higher amount of design experience; that has also played just about every game ever made. Definitely, I've played all the game types. I would just like one MMO to get-it-right!

I also allowed this to be a bit longer to make sure my response didn't sound rude.

But, raids need HEAVY work still. They are VERY much not for an average player -- once again killing MAIN content for 90% of the playerbase. Blizzard needs to take note that every MMO that has gone to a Free2Play model is now back in business, even though they were dying (due to WoW and saturation). Some have seen a quadrupling in profits, not to even mention what happened number wise to the playerbase.

Here, play this game because it exists: http://quiz.ravenblack.net/blood.pl?biter=Nithindul

Become a vampire and together we will rule the grid -- the evil grid!

In reply to this comment by flechette:
As far as the very last comment he makes in the video go there's a site called metroid2002 that is devoted to people spending way too much time playing Super Metroid who try to find ways to collect 100% of the items in said game as fast as they can. Someone out there has been late to work because they thought to themselves "If I can just figure out how to get all the items faster, I will have made a difference in the world." Really? In that you made a post on a gaming site? No, in that you exist, you interacted with your existence, and THAT is what life is.

This is a great summary of what WoW was like in vanilla compared to what it's like now, and people will play it simply because it exists. Like they do. That's the only reason people need to play ANY game.

You cannot play a game that doesn't exist. So if the game exists, why does it matter what people play it for? They play it because to them it's part of their life!

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:

kceaton1
Wow - and I thought I typed long posts. I tip my helm, sir.
I enjoy WoW for various reasons. It has the solo experience down to a T and you can find enjoyable ways to spend your time doing PVP, or dailies, or solo questing, or PUG dungeons (shudder), or crafting, of achievements, or other stuff. If you're in a fun guild then you can do dungeons & raids for fun as well. It isn't just the 'lewts' and numbers. Yahtzee has it wrong there. Any raider worth his salt will tell you without blinking it is the fun of raiding with friends, and solving what are (essentially) multi-player puzzles.
And you don't have to be 'addicted' to do it. I putz around in WoW for maybe an hour or two in the late evenings on 2 or 3 nights a week after the kids are down & the wife is doing other stuff. I was easily able to get to level 85 in a couple weeks that way (plus a day or two of multi-hour gaming over the holiday). My guild raids one night a week, for a 2-hour stint. Easily doable while leaving plenty of time for myraids of other interests. Moderation. It's all about moderation.


Actually, the real danger in paying for WoW is that your money helps line the pockets of liberal videogame makers. Naw, I'm just kidding, Bobby Kotick donates to the Republican party.

But, seriously -- numbers, numbers. What do those pesky imaginary characters remind me of? Oh! I know -- Videosift! Another dangerous liberal hot spot, plagued by an ever increasing need to sift more and MORE AND MORE videos -- but for what?! To gain powers!! Powers? For what?! TO BETTER SIFT VIDEOS!! Muahahaha! Those evil, evil bastards.