Sam Harris on Trump

In episode #45 of "The Waking Up Podcast", Sam Harris once again shares his thoughts on Trump.
MilkmanDansays...

I think Sam Harris is awesome, so there was a lot of interesting stuff in there even though it came from before the election.

I agree with everything he said about who Trump is; his motivations (or lack thereof), narcissism, potential psychological issues, etc. Yet I disagree with his threat analysis. I still think that Trump's "balloon flying around randomly" presidency seems like it could easily be better than a Clinton presidency.

Trump will cause some incidental damage with his chaotic randomness. But basically, it will be 4 years (please) of loud noises and flashing lights that mostly goes nowhere. Hillary, with all the baggage and rumors etc. that may not true, is still in general the kind of person that people like Hitchens said she was. She's savvy, subtle, and frankly dangerous. And she's extremely well connected. When Trump randomly bungles his way into some big screw-up, we're going to hear about it. If Hillary weaseled into some dirty back-door stuff that could cause real long-term problems, there's a good chance we'd never find out about it.

Then he mentioned the "Trump vs random US citizen" argument. Jesus, I'd have taken random US citizen in a heartbeat over Trump or Clinton. Hell, I think that would be a fantastic way to call a mulligan and replace every last member of our corrupt, incompetent, and entrenched congress...

Jinxsays...

What do you think Hilary could have done that would have been so dangerous and insidious? Maybe I am lacking in imagination, but I actually can't think of anything that the Trump presidency hasn't already eclipsed. Travels bans, demonising the press, Russia, the EPA, Trumpcare... Like, I'm not 100% sure I would have voted at all if I could have, but yeah, I really struggle to see Hilary as more dangerous than a Prez who just regurgitates whatever he absorbed that morning reading Breitbart.

MilkmanDansaid:

I think Sam Harris is awesome, so there was a lot of interesting stuff in there even though it came from before the election.

I agree with everything he said about who Trump is; his motivations (or lack thereof), narcissism, potential psychological issues, etc. Yet I disagree with his threat analysis. I still think that Trump's "balloon flying around randomly" presidency seems like it could easily be better than a Clinton presidency.

Trump will cause some incidental damage with his chaotic randomness. But basically, it will be 4 years (please) of loud noises and flashing lights that mostly goes nowhere. Hillary, with all the baggage and rumors etc. that may not true, is still in general the kind of person that people like Hitchens said she was. She's savvy, subtle, and frankly dangerous. And she's extremely well connected. When Trump randomly bungles his way into some big screw-up, we're going to hear about it. If Hillary weaseled into some dirty back-door stuff that could cause real long-term problems, there's a good chance we'd never find out about it.

Then he mentioned the "Trump vs random US citizen" argument. Jesus, I'd have taken random US citizen in a heartbeat over Trump or Clinton. Hell, I think that would be a fantastic way to call a mulligan and replace every last member of our corrupt, incompetent, and entrenched congress...

ulysses1904jokingly says...

The bit about talking as if he's making up rhymes and has to stick with whatever he came up with cracked me up, he nailed it. Here's Trump's response during a presidential debate:

I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable to do so because, uh, some, uh, people out there in our nation don't have maps and, uh, I believe that our education like such as in South Africa and, uh, the Iraq, everywhere like such as, and, I believe that they should, our education over here in the U.S. should help the U.S., uh, or, uh, should help South Africa and should help the Iraq and the Asian countries, so we will be able to build up our future. For our children.

kceaton1says...

I hate to say it, but that is totally a quote from a Miss U.S.A. pageant. That has been misquoted and been attributed to Trump.

Just pick something else from his Presidential debates, there's so much ripe potential there besides that you'll have no trouble...

IF he really said that (since I didn't look--I'm just going off of memory), that would be beyond an amazing coincidence... I'd dare say it was said on purpose (again, though, it should be misquoted).

ulysses1904said:

The bit about talking as if he's making up rhymes and has to stick with whatever he came up with cracked me up, he nailed it. Here's Trump's response during a presidential debate:

I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable to do so because, uh, some, uh, people out there in our nation don't have maps and, uh, I believe that our education like such as in South Africa and, uh, the Iraq, everywhere like such as, and, I believe that they should, our education over here in the U.S. should help the U.S., uh, or, uh, should help South Africa and should help the Iraq and the Asian countries, so we will be able to build up our future. For our children.

Imagoaminsays...

Surprised Harris isn't a bigger fan, seeing as they both view Islam in such a simplistic and myopic way and both have said largely dangerous things about Muslims.

ulysses1904says...

I thought it was pretty obvious I was joking but I guess not. I deliberately mis-attributed Miss South Carolina Teen USA 2007 Caitlin Upton's nervous rambling answer to Donald Trump, for comedic effect.

kceaton1said:

I hate to say it, but that is totally a quote from a Miss U.S.A. pageant. That has been misquoted and been attributed to Trump.

Just pick something else from his Presidential debates, there's so much ripe potential there besides that you'll have no trouble...

IF he really said that (since I didn't look--I'm just going off of memory), that would be beyond an amazing coincidence... I'd dare say it was said on purpose (again, though, it should be misquoted).

Jinxsays...

Wow, turns out that the world isn't as black and white as "people who like islam" and "people who don't like islam"

Whodthunkit?

Imagoaminsaid:

Surprised Harris isn't a bigger fan, seeing as they both view Islam in such a simplistic and myopic way and both have said largely dangerous things about Muslims.

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