Rachel Maddow: Bill Maher talking about OWS and Religion.

The Rachel Maddow Show, MSNBC, 10-11-2011
Peroxidesays...

A lot of the (lower to middle class) right wing supporters that I meet, who endorse all sorts of values like, "don't tax the rich" and "don't help the poor," a lot of these folks seem to buy into the dream that someday they will be pulling in a million dollar salary, they will be rich. Or even that they could already be rich without taxes.

It's scary how the American dream makes slaves of the poor in much the same way that casino psychology works. "Just keep working the slots, someday I'll strike it rich, someday I'll achieve the dream." Just keep working at that job you hate,
someday...someday...someday...

Then one day, you wake up and you're life is over and you struggled the whole time, "pulling the slot machine handle," competing against everyone else instead of cooperating within communities for the common goals that are truly fulfilling.

It's obvious that markets work, but in my opinion extreme unregulated capitalism is addicting in the same way that gambling is,

Isn't it obvious who wins when you play the slots? There's a reason organized crime invests in casinos.

dystopianfuturetodaysays...

Great sift, Bill is really getting to the heart of conservative psychology here, which reminds me...

I had a conversation with a conservative friend a few weeks ago, and the conservative used the typical 'poor people are poor because they don't work hard enough' spiel. I responded, "so if a poor person works hard enough, he or she could become a millionaire?" "Yes", the conservative said. (The trap is sprung.) "So, if everyone in the world worked hard enough, could everyone be a millionaire?" No response - the conservative was literally speechless. Put that one in your quiver.

MonkeySpanksays...

Those who are abused by the system tend to protect it the most.

>> ^Peroxide:

A lot of the (lower to middle class) right wing supporters that I meet, who endorse all sorts of values like, "don't tax the rich" and "don't help the poor," a lot of these folks seem to buy into the dream that someday they will be pulling in a million dollar salary, they will be rich. Or even that they could already be rich without taxes.
It's scary how the American dream makes slaves of the poor in much the same way that casino psychology works. "Just keep working the slots, someday I'll strike it rich, someday I'll achieve the dream." Just keep working at that job you hate,
someday...someday...someday...
Then one day, you wake up and you're life is over and you struggled the whole time, "pulling the slot machine handle," competing against everyone else instead of cooperating within communities for the common goals that are truly fulfilling.
It's obvious that markets work, but in my opinion extreme unregulated capitalism is addicting in the same way that gambling is,
Isn't it obvious who wins when you play the slots? There's a reason organized crime invests in casinos.

quantumushroomsays...

Poor people are poor because they make poor economic or social decisions, the same way rich people can be made poor. Fortunately most people learn not to make the same mistakes.

"So, if everyone in the world worked hard enough, could everyone be a millionaire?"

Why is this a 'clever' question? The answer is no, because not every nation in the world has a capitalist system which supports the trade of valuable goods and services for money, or heavily taxes citizenry to the point being "extra" productive is worth it.

The idea that economics is a zero-sum game and that the system is hopelessly rigged are left wing shibboleths. Outside of black markets, there is no such thing as "unregulated capitalism." The socialists have seen to that.




>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:

Great sift, Bill is really getting to the heart of conservative psychology here, which reminds me...
I had a conversation with a conservative friend a few weeks ago, and the conservative used the typical 'poor people are poor because they don't work hard enough' spiel. I responded, "so if a poor person works hard enough, he or she could become a millionaire?" "Yes", the conservative said. (The trap is sprung.) "So, if everyone in the world worked hard enough, could everyone be a millionaire?" No response - the conservative was literally speechless. Put that one in your quiver.

dystopianfuturetodaysays...

^So people are actively 'not' becoming millionaires because taxes are too high? They'd rather suffer dead end jobs, rental agreements and credit checks than have a million dollars and a higher tax bracket? Please tell me that's not the point you are trying to make.

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