Pushing for a Green Collar Economy in the USA

Van Jones, author of The Green Collar Economy, highlights specific ways to create jobs for Americans while also making moves to help green the planet.
quantumushroomsays...

Government doesn't create jobs or wealth. It's an octopus that can't free up a single tentacle to wipe its own ass, and if it wants to "help" it will STFU and get out of the way, it's not like it won't be around to tax everything later.

There was a time in America when the people didn't wait for some clueless commie "czar" to declare What Shall Be Done and how to do it.

The people harnessed their own ingenuity and used hard work to achieve goals or fail in the attempt. Many failed along the way, they were allowed to; their failures weren't then propped up by bailouts and unworkable ideologies in the name of "social justice."

If there's money to be made in a "Green Economy" (or develop one) it will be made by individuals with a profit motive and a dream, not czartards.

Winstonfield_Pennypackersays...

Government making up fake jobs subsidized by taxes is not 'job creation'. A job has to have an inherent level of productivity and contribution to society, or it is nothing but a drain. So far the vast majority of 'green jobs' are nothing but a retarded shuffling of government money from one boondoggle project to another.

Kruposays...

hahahaha, the last two comments make it sound like nuke and coal plants don't enjoy government subsidies of any sort...

not to mention, all the government planning which encourages sprawl coupled with super-low gas taxes discourage energy efficiency.

Europeans jumped on energy efficiency since using power is way more expensive over there. But why talk about how to improve things when it's so much easier to criticize people and repeat tired old political tirades?

What more, he's actually bashing government money shuffle boondoggles in the vid itself - did you guys even watch it?

Winstonfield_Pennypackersays...

tell that to the banks, auto industry, agricultural industry, defense sector, pharmaceutical industry

Not helping your case. Government involvement has insulated these industries from the market, established unfair practices, weakened industry, and left them unable to compete in a competitive market. All govenment has done is establish a protectionsism racket that has artificially inflated costs and limited competition. Government has done these industries no favors. Every single one you mention I could go on at length in regards to how they have been severely damaged by government subsidies. Lather/rinse/repeating by establishing a false economy of 'green' energy is insipid.

he's actually bashing government money shuffle boondoggles in the vid itself

No the one I watched. He's proposing that we establish a faux industry. He wants car companies to stop making cars (which people actually pay real money for) and start making wind turbines & solar panels instead. This swap would have to be subsidized because no one is buying wind or solar because they are still too expensive and inefficient. It would be an economy entirely based on government subsudies. Now I'm 100% sure that idiots like Van Jones are excited by that prospect. Any American with two brain cells and a spine should be horrified by it.

Farhad2000says...

That's your opinion coming from a pro capitalistic viewpoint, almost all these industries themselves pressed for government intervention and consequentially benefited massively from protectionist policies (see big 3 auto industry case vs Japan auto industry in the 70s oil crisis), the government representatives benefit because the states where these firms are based would vote with their jobs and lively hood. So on a economic standpoint you can argue its wrong, but not from a social one, an economist would allow GM to fail but we live in a society that needs to support its workers.

Such collusion is not the fault of the government, because they way you phrase it you make it sound like its a government initiative, when in reality its the industries themselves that consistently press for protectionist policies to distort the market for their own benefits and profit. The EU farming fiasco right now taking place in France is a clear example, the agricultural sector is pressing for a return to a quota system to allow prices to rise artificially, Brussels has stated it will take no such action as right now agro prices are completely out of sync with world prices and this only benefits the minority agricultural sector.

Am sorry but your opinions fail to ever encompass reality of the situation. Rather you simply have a pro-right beef with what you call government growth, because its a buzz word of the republican right wing. You rail against taxes and government spending without ever thinking that government spending in the 40s and 50s has built up the very infrastructure right that connects America with roads and telecom systems, government subsidies in cases like Canada have allowed the sprouting of a telecom network in its early years because no profit orientated firm would ever dream to lay down telecom networks because its a cost loss.

Its just like when I watch C-SPAN and see republicans complain about stimulus and subsidy packages when i know full well their state presses for the same stimulus and subsidy packages year on year to support their state industries.

Is there hope? Yes? Does it take years? yes Smoot hawley put into effect one of the largest protectionist drives in the world post great depression it has taken 80yrs for GATT, WTO and other international incentives to return to a trade freedom that comes somewhere close to pre-1930 levels. The system of protectionism and industry subsidization takes years to unravel because industries influence government policy more then government policy influences industries.

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