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Upvote for truth in advertising (3G/iOS4 owner here).

Ha! Let's face it real buttons are better.

But I've finally caved and got an HTC Wildfire. Very nice but the major problem is I'm scared about losing or dropping it. My old Nokia was just a tool that got the job done and fitted in my jeans. This new thing with it's lovely screen - well screen protectors and a case are on the way. I wonder if it will be more trouble than it's worth.

Dude got a broken iPhone. Mine doesn't do any of those things, really it doesn't.

>> ^Deano:

Ha! Let's face it real buttons are better.


I beg to differ. I am tired of hardwired buttons. The home button is fine.. but I am glad everything else is on-screen.

The above video is something I have heard about happening to some iphones and such that are upgraded to 4.0, so while not all iphones experience it, some infact do. However up until this point, the itouch/iphone has managed a great user interface (even better when jail broken) and never do I experience the problems often found with running a PC operating system where programs run choppy and take seconds for buttons to respond just because you happen to be trying to work at the same time the OS is doing file system maintenance, swapping to page files, clearing up memory, or what ever operating systems do that take cycles away from the main program. As someone who is not thrilled with apple and has always been an ipod hater, I love my (jailbroken) iTouch.

>> ^FlowersInHisHair:

Dude got a broken iPhone. Mine doesn't do any of those things, really it doesn't.


3G with OS4? mine does this shit, but my girlfriend's 3GS does not (or at least to a lesser degree).

Not quite sure what you're saying there. You can't compare a mobile device (which has an OS that's tuned to the hardware) with a Windows PC which has to support a huge variety of configurations. The keyboard issue is irrelevant.


>> ^jmd:

>> ^Deano:
Ha! Let's face it real buttons are better.

I beg to differ. I am tired of hardwired buttons. The home button is fine.. but I am glad everything else is on-screen.
The above video is something I have heard about happening to some iphones and such that are upgraded to 4.0, so while not all iphones experience it, some infact do. However up until this point, the itouch/iphone has managed a great user interface (even better when jail broken) and never do I experience the problems often found with running a PC operating system where programs run choppy and take seconds for buttons to respond just because you happen to be trying to work at the same time the OS is doing file system maintenance, swapping to page files, clearing up memory, or what ever operating systems do that take cycles away from the main program. As someone who is not thrilled with apple and has always been an ipod hater, I love my (jailbroken) iTouch.

I wasn't refering to keyboards, neither the droids nore the iphones have a hardware keyboard. The majority of their interface use is not by typing either. I was concentrating more on the visual user interface..the windows themselves. The majority of Windows naggles are related to the operating systems upkeep of its internals and overhead, and how it handles application launches and such. The OS simply priorities the UI with the rest of the program, and that falls apart when under windows rules "It is acceptable to use most or even all cpu cycles for another program or windows upkeep process". Comparatively, the iphones/itouches put a bigger emphasis on making sure applications startup, run, and exit smoothly, and that video (interface visuals) does not lag or stutter while you are trying to use the touch screen to touch and move things.

Exiting 3d games has always been one of the most uggliest things in windows as a residual black window is left on the desktop for a second or more and the OS thrashes as swap memory of the windows that just became viewable is loaded into the freed memory. On the iphone on the other hand, while playing a 3d game, if I hit the home button the screen scales out and fades smoothly, and the audio slowly fades out. No pauses..no black screens..no sudden sound cut outs. It is extremely graceful. But that is enough of me rambling.

But you did start this off by saying you weren't into "hardwired buttons" because Windows isn't as solid as the OS on an ipod Touch.
I just don't think that makes any sense - what's the point of comparing them when they are so different?

The fact that phones use haptics suggests to me that the feedback from physical buttons is something that we all need and miss with touch devices. Personally I would like a real keyboard on my phone but getting that bigger screen seems like a fair trade-off. Maybe a slide-out keyboard is a future option for me.

>> ^jmd:

I wasn't refering to keyboards, neither the droids nore the iphones have a hardware keyboard. The majority of their interface use is not by typing either. I was concentrating more on the visual user interface..the windows themselves. The majority of Windows naggles are related to the operating systems upkeep of its internals and overhead, and how it handles application launches and such. The OS simply priorities the UI with the rest of the program, and that falls apart when under windows rules "It is acceptable to use most or even all cpu cycles for another program or windows upkeep process". Comparatively, the iphones/itouches put a bigger emphasis on making sure applications startup, run, and exit smoothly, and that video (interface visuals) does not lag or stutter while you are trying to use the touch screen to touch and move things.
Exiting 3d games has always been one of the most uggliest things in windows as a residual black window is left on the desktop for a second or more and the OS thrashes as swap memory of the windows that just became viewable is loaded into the freed memory. On the iphone on the other hand, while playing a 3d game, if I hit the home button the screen scales out and fades smoothly, and the audio slowly fades out. No pauses..no black screens..no sudden sound cut outs. It is extremely graceful. But that is enough of me rambling.

Daeno, the argument is about hard wired button vs software based display/touchscreen buttons, yes, but not keyboards in general. Tactile feedback is a must for keyboards, yea. I will never see the keyboard dissapear in the wake of a display style keyboard. But not everything needs a keyboard for lengthy word typing and I much prefer my portable devices to have a clean front with maxium display from corner to corner. Less clutter and my eye sight is fully centered on the lcd image and not the multi button frame of the device in hand.