FOR ANYONE WHO IS STUPID ENOUGH TO BELIEVE THE OBVIOUS HACK JOB PUT TOGETHER IN THIS CLIP. For the record, here’s McCain’s full quote, IN CONTEXT, from back in January:

Questioner: President Bush has talked about our staying in Iraq for fifty years…

McCain: Maybe a hundred. Make it one hundred. We’ve been in South Korea, we’ve been in Japan for sixty years. We’ve been in South Korea for fifty years or so. That’d be fine with me as long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed. Then it’s fine with me. I would hope it would be fine with you if we maintain a presence in a very volatile part of the world where Al Qaeda is training, recruiting, equipping and motivating people every single day.

FOR ANYONE WHO IS STUPID ENOUGH TO BELIEVE THE OBVIOUS HACK JOB PUT TOGETHER IN THIS CLIP. For the record, here’s McCain’s full quote, IN CONTEXT, from back in January:

Questioner: President Bush has talked about our staying in Iraq for fifty years…

McCain: Maybe a hundred. Make it one hundred. We’ve been in South Korea, we’ve been in Japan for sixty years. We’ve been in South Korea for fifty years or so. That’d be fine with me as long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed. Then it’s fine with me. I would hope it would be fine with you if we maintain a presence in a very volatile part of the world where Al Qaeda is training, recruiting, equipping and motivating people every single day.

FOR ANYONE WHO IS STUPID ENOUGH TO BELIEVE THE OBVIOUS HACK JOB PUT TOGETHER IN THIS CLIP. For the record, here’s McCain’s full quote, IN CONTEXT, from back in January:

Questioner: President Bush has talked about our staying in Iraq for fifty years…

McCain: Maybe a hundred. Make it one hundred. We’ve been in South Korea, we’ve been in Japan for sixty years. We’ve been in South Korea for fifty years or so. That’d be fine with me as long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed. Then it’s fine with me. I would hope it would be fine with you if we maintain a presence in a very volatile part of the world where Al Qaeda is training, recruiting, equipping and motivating people every single day.

FOR ANYONE WHO IS STUPID ENOUGH TO BELIEVE THE OBVIOUS HACK JOB PUT TOGETHER IN THIS CLIP. For the record, here’s McCain’s full quote, IN CONTEXT, from back in January:

Questioner: President Bush has talked about our staying in Iraq for fifty years…

McCain: Maybe a hundred. Make it one hundred. We’ve been in South Korea, we’ve been in Japan for sixty years. We’ve been in South Korea for fifty years or so. That’d be fine with me as long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed. Then it’s fine with me. I would hope it would be fine with you if we maintain a presence in a very volatile part of the world where Al Qaeda is training, recruiting, equipping and motivating people every single day.

FOR ANYONE WHO DIDN'T KNOW THE USA NEVER LEAVES MILITARY BASES IN COUNTRIES WHERE THE USA HAS TAKEN MILITARY ACTION UNOCCUPIED IF THEY CAN HELP IT IN ANY WAY, EVEN WHEN 'PEACE' IS DECLARED...

Here is an icepick to destroy your copy/paste button and then your brain, sir.

PS: the CIA is the largest terrorist organization in the world. THE MORE U KNOW, CHIGUY!

kudos to Chiguy for including the full quote. Agree or disagree, videos like this don't help anybody. People need to understand the actual positions of the candidates rather than the sensationalized and oversimplified strawman that the media presents.

I think Matt Yglesias gets this one right:

"Obviously, this ad is terribly unfair. It's unfair, because it's out of context. In context, McCain offered his Magical Death-Free Proviso in which our troops are going to be immune to enemy fire for the duration of his proposed 100 year presence. Or something. Basically, we'll have an open-ended war in Iraq followed by 100 years of peacefully kind of hanging around. That, obviously, makes his views much more reasonable."

[Edit -- One more thing: chiguy, you're a probie, so I'll clue you in. Nobody around here is more impressed with you because of your multiple posting. You weren't anymore likely to make your point because of that crap. Next time, say your peace in a single post and move on.]

McCain offered his Magical Death-Free Proviso in which our troops are going to be immune to enemy fire for the duration of his proposed 100 year presence


Not magical, just envisioning something more like South Korea coming out as an eventual result. That falls under optimistic/naive, not magical. It also paints an infinitely better picture of his opinion as well, which is what makes the video so unfair. Call McCain out for being wrong about were the war is headed, but attack his real opinion and not an imaginary one.

Maintaining a presence is these countries is why Americans have such a bad rep worldwide. People in your country wear Canadian flags when they travel for good reason. Now Mcain wants to perpetuate your imperialism, that's where the problem lies. In my hometown alone you secured a whole block, and took two lanes of our downtown roads for the protection of your stupid embassy after 9/11. So you've already started to invade Canada... under Mcain I can only imagine what's next.

>> ^BenjaminFranklin2u:
Maintaining a presence is these countries is why Americans have such a bad rep worldwide. People in your country wear Canadian flags when they travel for good reason. Now Mcain wants to perpetuate your imperialism, that's where the problem lies. In my hometown alone you secured a whole block, and took two lanes of our downtown roads for the protection of your stupid embassy after 9/11. So you've already started to invade Canada... under Mcain I can only imagine what's next.


For starters, I actually am Canadian as well.

McCain should be world's better than Bush, which is something that too many people are being fooled over. Bush is more than just war mongering, the worst things he's done have been stuff like torture and elimination of checks and balances. Bush spent Vietnam on American soil, McCain spent time being tortured as a POW. All this spin against McCain to make him out as a more aggressive Neo-Con than Bush is absolute garbage. Everything he has said shows him to be a giant leap back towards a more moderate Whitehouse. That said, from where Bush and Cheney have put things, that leap may not be enough.

bcglof
My problem with your opinion regarding what Mcain will do is based on what he says on what your fed through American News Media. Besides that I don't know that you said anything about my comment, so why quote it?

The piece I was addressing was your final statement:
Under McCain I can only imagine what's next.

I quoted your whole post to keep it in context. If we can't believe anything about McCain because it comes through the American news Media, how can we say anything about any other candidate by comparison either? One thing that can provide some reliable insight to McCain's intentions compared to the other Rep candidates and Bush, is from debates. You'll notice there is absolutely no hedging or conditions on McCain's stance against waterboarding and on standing behind the Geneva convention. To me, that is a great big step forward from Bush and Cheney. It suggests that your statement,"Under McCain I can only imagine what's next" is inaccurate in suggesting that McCain will be oh so worse than Bush.

Bush also said in his debates that he's not in the business of nation building. What is said
to gain the trust and the suport of a country while trying to take its top position can never be taken whole heartedly. While I think McCain will be somewhat of an impovement I fear that the Bush Admin. has rooted itself very deeply in the infrastructure (Supreme Ct, CIA, World Bank, Fed Reserve...). The President is one main in a machine that stays largely the same.

Plus, to be on topic, it's much easier to bomb Iran if we have bases next door.

>> ^bcglorf:
The piece I was addressing was your final statement:
Under McCain I can only imagine what's next.
I quoted your whole post to keep it in context. If we can't believe anything about McCain because it comes through the American news Media, how can we say anything about any other candidate by comparison either? One thing that can provide some reliable insight to McCain's intentions compared to the other Rep candidates and Bush, is from debates. You'll notice there is absolutely no hedging or conditions on McCain's stance against waterboarding and on standing behind the Geneva convention. To me, that is a great big step forward from Bush and Cheney. It suggests that your statement,"Under McCain I can only imagine what's next" is inaccurate in suggesting that McCain will be oh so worse than Bush.

>> ^chiguy:
FOR ANYONE WHO IS STUPID ENOUGH TO BELIEVE THE OBVIOUS HACK JOB PUT TOGETHER IN THIS CLIP. For the record, here’s McCain’s full quote, IN CONTEXT, from back in January:
Questioner: President Bush has talked about our staying in Iraq for fifty years…
McCain: Maybe a hundred. Make it one hundred. We’ve been in South Korea, we’ve been in Japan for sixty years. We’ve been in South Korea for fifty years or so. That’d be fine with me as long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed. Then it’s fine with me. I would hope it would be fine with you if we maintain a presence in a very volatile part of the world where Al Qaeda is training, recruiting, equipping and motivating people every single day.


Can you tell me what the context was when Jeremiah Wright said "God damn America"? How about when he said "America's chickens are coming home to roost?"

How about when Obama said that people cling to guns and religion?

Tell me, how long is McCain willing to stay when people are being injured and killed? Americans are still being injured and killed every day. How many more days will he give it before he says it's not worth it?

All he says "until it's done". If he said 100 years, at least there'd be a finite timetable. "Until it's done" has no time limit.

If you ask me, the DNC is being kind by not putting McCain's true policy out there.

PS: Check this out

Can you tell me what the context was when Jeremiah Wright said "God damn America"? How about when he said "America's chickens are coming home to roost?"


It was, of course, horribly out of context. That makes BOTH rants by the media despicable. I'd personally like to see Obama over McCain. But you are still just reinforcing the point that the above video is completely misrepresenting McCain's position to make it easier to bad mouth him. It is exactly what Fox is doing to Obama, and just because McCain is a Republican doesn't suddenly change it from unfair to helpful.

>> ^bcglorf:
But you are still just reinforcing the point that the above video is completely misrepresenting McCain's position to make it easier to bad mouth him. It is exactly what Fox is doing to Obama, and just because McCain is a Republican doesn't suddenly change it from unfair to helpful.


Fox says Obama's a secret Muslim, a black separatist, an elitist, and unpatriotic. Now that is more than misrepresentation, it's slander.

Democrats are fighting fire with squirt guns, and you think they're crossing the line?

Democrats are fighting fire with squirt guns, and you think they're crossing the line?


I'm just saying I draw the line at honesty. I agree that Fox and Co. have gone way beyond that point, that doesn't do anything to make lying about Republicans positions any more acceptable.

The thing I like most about Obama is that he keeps re-iterating that people want honest debate about the issues instead of political distractions. He also lives up to that in everything he's been saying, which is even better. It's why he'd have my vote right now if I was an American.

The problem with the above ad(Which I don't believe has any connection to Obama) is that it is a dishonest political distraction from the real debate. Just because this particular smear helps the guy I like doesn't make it any more palatable to me. I want to see a campaign fought over real issues, not on emotionally targeted misinformation like this ad.

>> ^bcglorf:
I'm just saying I draw the line at honesty. I agree that Fox and Co. have gone way beyond that point, that doesn't do anything to make lying about Republicans positions any more acceptable.

All I'm saying is it's disingenuous to lump this in the same category. McCain wants the Iraq war to continue, and wants more war, most likely with Iran.

The quote used here is technically not an expression of that policy, but it's an accurate characterization of his position on the issue.

My main complaint is that the DNC ad pales in comparison to the MoveOn.org ad.

All I'm saying is it's disingenuous to lump this in the same category.


Your the one who started with comparisons to the bogus attacks on Obama. I don't care about categorizing anything. I care about using lies to characterize someone's position.


The quote used here is technically not an expression of that policy, but it's an accurate characterization of his position on the issue.


Says you. Many Neo-Cons would say the same of Fox's coverage on Wright. It's all a bunch of BS though. McCain never suggested we should stay in Iraq for 100 years of this same chaos. He suggested 100 years of troops on the ground if things were vastly better than today. Just compare the full quote versus the way the video presents the sound bite. Hate McCain all you want, but please don't suggest that this video accurately represents his opinion as it plainly does not in anything but the most superficial and inaccurate manner possible.