...yes, and Malcolm got more out of life from his trip, ....to Mecca, or Earth, than most have, but he hadda camera on him, so,....whats the point?>?

shit, apologies to anyone who thinks anything but goodwill towards Malcolm......

Key word...Re-Education
Key Process-Explained simply here
Why they killed him.....They Live!

It's 2007. These, uh, Muslims who "see others as part of the human family"...where are they? Islam, a backwards religion plagiarized as it is from Judaism and Christianity, seems to lack love and tolerance for non-Muslims, so much so the fictional "moderate Muslims" have allowed thugs to hijack their voice and faith.

Malcolm X today would be like Bill Cosby, speaking the obvious about self-reliance and education. And like Cosby today, he would've also been shunned and made an outcast by "civil rights groups" which once served a purpose but now are little more than extortion rings for "black leaders".

quantumushroom

When you call Islam "a backwards religion plagiarized as it is from Judaism and Christianity" you reveal your own ignorance and intolerance. You also attempt to sully the reputation of all Muslims by referring to the existence of moderate Muslims as a fiction.


يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنَّا خَلَقْنَاكُم مِّن ذَكَرٍ وَأُنثَى وَجَعَلْنَاكُمْ شُعُوباً
وَقَبَائِلَ لِتَعَارَفُوا إِنَّ أَكْرَمَكُمْ عِندَ اللَّهِ أَتْقَاكُمْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ
خَبِير

"O mankind! Lo! We have created you male and female, and have made you nations and tribes that ye may know one another." (Qur'an 49:13)

Instead of condemning Muslims why don't you try talking to them. Hate destroys people, dialogue brings them closer together. From some of your comments it is clear that you know little about history or Islam. I have studied Islam, Shari'ah law and Arabic, for many years and do not recognise the inflexible homogenous unthinking Islam you seek to condemn. I have lived and traveled extensively in the Islamic world and I have rarely encountered people as bigoted as you.

But if you are still not convinced then:

لَكُمْ دِينُكُمْ وَلِيَ دِين

"To you be your Way, and to me mine." (Qur'an 109:6)

I hope you do learn more about Islam in the future and temper your ill-informed views. However if you choose to remain ignorant then it may just be that:

لاَ يُكَلِّفُ اللّهُ نَفْساً إِلاَّ وُسْعَهَا

"God does not burden a person with what is beyond his capacity." (Qur'an. 2:286)

Can't you just feel the "love and tolerance" coming off of quantumushroom?

Woah, déjà vu.

sorry that is apologist nonsense. a religion based on god should have no flaws, and well, islam is about defective as it gets. you don't get to pick the few good bits to justify the rest which is horrifying.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ (believe it or else...)
islam is incompatible with the universal declaration of human rights.
http://www.iheu.org/node/1541
it is a bigoted homophobic sexist intolerant religion that asks for tolerance from others. just look up apostasy if you want to see the "freedom" that is islam.

frasera

I agree with you that Islam is a homophobic religion - in a number of places the Qur'an condemns male homosexuality (Qur'an 7:80-82, 26:165–175, 27:55–58, 29:28–29). Another verse (Qur'an 4:15–16) is often used to condemn lesbians. In many modern Islamic states homosexuals are persecuted and if caught often beaten, jailed or executed. I totally condemn the persecution of homosexuals as does any decent person.

The issue of apostacy is far more complicated. Islam teaches that 'there is no compulsion in religion' لاَ إِكْرَاهَ فِي الدِّين (Qur'an 2:256). Furthermore the Qur'an states that 'Had thy Lord willed, everyone on earth would have believed. Do you then force people to become believers?' وَلَوْ شَاء رَبُّكَ لآمَنَ مَن فِي الأَرْضِ كُلُّهُمْ جَمِيعاً أَفَأَنتَ تُكْرِه النَّاسَ حَتَّى يَكُونُواْ مُؤْمِنِينَ(Qur'an 10:99). These verses have been used as the basis of freedom of religion and freedom of worship laws in many Islamic states. The Medina Document - which is the constitution established by Muhammad for the first Islamic state in Medina - guarantees freedom of belief and worship to Christians, Jews and Polytheists. In modern times an example would be Article II of the Federal Constitution of Malaysia. Nowhere in the Qur'an is death proscribed as the punishment for apostasy. The only basis for such a view is a hadith (saying of the Prophet Muhammad transmitted by his companions and family) which states 'kill whoever changes his religion'. There are many thousands of hadith and Islamic scholars have spent centuries arguing over their authenticity. The hadith in question is an ahad hadith - meaning that unlike many other hadith which are mutawatir (transmitted by many people) it was only transmitted by one person. Many Islamic scholars have therefore cast doubt on the authenticity of this hadith. They are supported in their conclusion by the fact that neither Muhammad or any of his successors ever sentenced someone to death for apostasy. Over the centuries many prominent Islamic scholars have held the view that apostasy should not be punished by man - the punishment, if any, is up to God and will come in the afterlife.

Islam is not incompatible with the UDHR nor is it a sexist religion. I have worked extensively with human rights and women's rights activists throughout the Islamic world. It may suprise you to know that many of the most vocal supporters of human and women's rights in the Islamic world are also devout Muslims. Take Tunisia as an example. The Tunisian legal system is based on Shari'ah law. Yet it is a system of Shari'ah law which provides equal rights for women - in inheritance, marriage, no polygamy, etc. These rights were guaranteed not by abandoning Shari'ah law but by embracing the flexibility inherent in it. Many Islamic countries have also signed the CEDAW convention (Convention for the Elimination of all forms of Discrimination Against Women). Initially they had reservations against some key articles (9,16) of that convention on religious grounds - but these reservations are starting to be lifted as a result of lobbying and pressure from Muslims.

I beseech you and others not to propogate simplistic, ill-informed views about Islam and the Islamic world. Seek to understand and communicate rather than to slander and condemn.

Everything I could have said was said in much better ways by Gwaan. Great comment.

I was born and raised and Muslim. And it never ceases to shock me how little people in the West know about Islam.

Frasera I think it's better to look at the American Muslim Association website, which is lead by a woman. How is that sexist then?

And all religions are homophobic and sexist. I mean Christianity is homophobic and sexist. The entire religion was built to be patriarchal. Yet that is not a fair analysis of it right? What about the Crusades? And so on and so on.

http://www.al-amana.org/

h'm sorry you can't fall back on justifying your flaws by pointing at others. it doesn't matter if someone else's fairy stories are flawed, it doesn't justify your own fairy stories flaws. it doesn't justify your belief in nonsense fairy stories in the first place.

and pointing out a few points of health in a body riddled with cancer is not really much of an arguement.

and all religions are sexist, fine, as i said, it doesn't matter. islam goes further, it controls all aspects of life as muslims admit themselves, its an oppressive ideology, and whos founder mixed military state and government power, a perfect example of corrupt power and a horrible example for followers of an ideology. frankly that alone makes islam more defective than the other religions.

Frasera, you are confusing religious scripture with abuse of religion to attain political power. All religions have that. Look at the use of Christian imagery by the Bush Administration.

Following your line of thinking would mean that the West should engage in a Religious war with the East.

That's ridiculous. Am Muslim and I think you are just calling shots based on shallow reportage done by Fox News.

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