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22 Comments
rembarsays...Worst martial art ever. I'm ashamed to say I used to train like this.
maatcsays...Wow, a lightning fast downvote!
What makes it bad? Unclean technique? I dont know crap about this kind of stuff, but I just find the speed amazing...
rembarsays...Nothing personal, you understand. I just have a raging clue for wing chun and all chun-related "arts", thanks to the years they stole from my life.
What's bad about this video, in short:
1. The speed is cool, but there's absolutely no force in the hits.
2. The guy gets in as many hits as he does because the other guy just stands there and lets him slap him around.
3. Chain-punching. Good for being quick, useless for inflicting damage of any kind. It's like speed-slapping, only less painful.
4. No useful footwork, if the camera moved down a bit you would see the dumbass squat stance they use all the time.
5. The whole exercise is training for a range of fighting that does not exist. Notice how they start off with their forearms touching, rocking back and forth? They call that the trapping range. It doesn't exist outside of these idiotic drills. Nobody sticks his arms out and then lets the other guy push his arms against his. In a real fight, they either separate and bang it out (standup range) or grab each other (clinch range).
And that's just off the top of my head.
maatcsays...Interesting, thanks!
maatcsays...pow whack biog biff *repunch
*requeue
siftbotsays...Re-queueing this video for one more try; last queued Friday, October 12th, 2007 5:07am PDT - requeue requested by submitter maatc.
maatcsays...bam bam bam bam bam bam! *requeue
siftbotsays...Re-queueing this video for one more try; last queued Monday, October 15th, 2007 7:40am PDT - requeue requested by submitter maatc.
maatcsays...not really packin' punch i guess...
maatcsays...Last time around, I promise! *requeue
siftbotsays...Re-queueing this video for one more try; last queued Thursday, October 18th, 2007 2:21am PDT - requeue requested by submitter maatc.
jmzerosays...I find this entertaining - but I agree with rembar on the usefulness of this. It's like training for basketball by dragging a trampoline under the net and dunking. It looks cool and it's fun, but in terms of a real game all you'll develop is some bad habits.
lavollsays...upvote for rembars comments. but now i have to ask, what art(s) do you do know, rembar?
Kevlarsays...I'll upvote for the speed, and another quality rembar post.
1zin1says...i don't even have to read any of your comments and i can guarantee at least one person said"the hits have no force" which is total bullshit.
and most people back up that statement by saying stuff like"that guy is still standing" dumbasses
gorgonheapsays...Yet Rembar misses the point of the exercise. No it's not practical but the self control and precision that your honing is whats helpful. I doubt anyone would use this in a real confrontation but the skills learned from it's practice will be valuable. Not everything taught or shown in Martial arts is to teach you how to hurt someone.
Ryjkyjsays...Never did Bruce Lee any harm. Of course, he did have to invent another martial art to fill in the gaps.
rembarsays...Don't tell me I'm missing the point. New rule: unless you have hundreds if not thousands of hours wasted in this piece of crap martial art, you're not allowed to tell me you have a better understanding of wing chun than I do. Let's just assume for the sake of civility that we're at least on equal ground in terms of technical knowledge. If you think this drill is teaching precision or something like that, then you think it's a physical fitness drill. In that case, then my argument is that it's a crap physical fitness drill. And no, I don't think this is that kind of drill, chi sao is intended (emphasis on intended) for teaching arm "sensitivity" and responses to attacks, in the form of redirection, blocking, and counterattacking on the center line. And, let me repeat for emphasis, it SUCKS.
Oh, and 1zin1, people make the comment about the lack of force in the punches for one reason: because it's true.
And martial arts are about learning to fight. If you're not learning to fight, you're not doing martial arts. You might try to argue with me. But you'll still be wrong.
quantumushroomsays...Best way to win a fight is to not be there when it starts, and run if you are.
joedirtsays...BWAHAHA!! Spoken like a true chicken hawk, QM.
From this day forward, this comment will be linked to for any pro-Iraq nonsense you spout off with!
Best way to win
a fightin Iraq is to not be there when it starts, and run if you are. (Then send in poor people and war profiteers to continue your mess)
maatcsays...Wow, this could get interesting!
*getting some popcorn*
SDGundamXsays...Boxers punch speed bags with as little or less power than this. And they're not doing any footwork either. This kind of training seems obviously intended for both speed, timing, and muscle control, much like bag-work in boxing.
As someone who also did martial arts for many years, I remember how difficult it was to throw precision (on-target) punches and kicks without caving in my sparring partner's skull. I got my nose popped a few times by people with poor muscle control or coordination during training. I don't see what's wrong with this kind of training so long as it's not the only thing you do every day.
I think some people are confusing martial arts with self-defense or combat training. The two aren't always mutually exclusive, but there are certainly differences. You should check out http://www.tonyblauer.com/ if you're more into the "reality" side of things. Tony basically takes rembar's stance that, if you want to really train for self-defense, you have to get out there and actually hit and be hit in situations that mimic real life combat encounters. That's why he designed (admittedly expensive) body armor that allows people to just beat on each other at almost full-force without injuring each other while training.
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