Youtube submitter has the same name as the member who submitted this.

This is my first try at this. Please tell me if it is inappropriate: *blog

This video is being sent to Sift Talk for discussion - blog requested by oxdottir.

very *appropriate and very *banworthy

Sorry Alfredo.

microspect has been nominated for banination by maatc. This may be due to abuse or violations of the posting guidelines. If this nomination is seconded, the account will be permanently disabled.

I wish I had half of what is in Ron Paul's *bank account.

microspect has been seconded for banination by MarineGunrock. This account will now be disabled. If you would like to appeal this banination, microspect, you may contact the administrators. Discarding this video.

Tags for this video have been changed from 'Join, the, Ron, Paul, Revolution, commentary, documentary, gotcha, grassroots' to 'ban, the, ban, Paul, banolution, banentary, banumentary, gotcha, banroots, ban' - edited by MarineGunrock

not a fan of how the sift always bans people after they make their first mistake. This user just joined the site today, sure they submitted their own video but they also perused the site, voting and commenting on other peoples submissions. Not everybody who signs up for a website reads the Terms before they start posting, to become a more welcoming community we should at least attempt to communicate with the user before we ban them.

Yeah, can't we give people a break before just banning them? I feel like I'm surfing the web in Germany from 1933 to 1945 [wink, wink, nudge, nudge].

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag.(show it anyway)

Hmm, well it's not just the terms- it's in big red text on the submit page for P members.

If they ignore a warning that's so in their face, I don't feel much remorse- as it's an indication of a lack of respect for our community.

We always unban if they contact us and do a mea culpa.

It's exactly as dag said it. And hell, don't the terms say something about following the rules or get banned? And look at videosiftbannedme - that's not just a clever title - he made a mistake, repented ans is now an active member.

Yep, 1933 through 1945 Germany. Hail Sifter!

Why I stand behind this ban, silly Nazi comments or not:

1. It was oxdottir who noticed this clip and decided to blog it, despite it being her first time to do so.
If her ban sense went off before we noticed it, that alone is reason enough to take a very good look at this.

2. microspect seems to be very serious about this post, if you go by the carefully picked categories and if you want also the above mentioned comment (one!) and votes (two!)
That means he is NOT a drive by poster or acting like a first time poster who just shoots too quick. For me that also means there is NO WAY he did not see that warning.

3. Despite the lack of a "commercial" tag, he obviously wants to sell us something: Ron Paul. Just take a look at the YouTube site! Don´t get me wrong, this is not about politics. But from what I have seen it seems to me that wanting to sell something is the main cause of people ignoring the self link warning. Either that, or being an attention whore.

Now:
He apologizes and it turns out he did actually make a mistake? - I say bring him back!
He signs up again and asks one of us to post it? - Give him the love the Sift is famous for!
It´s a difficult case that one or two people alone can´t decide? - Let the democracy work it out in SiftTalk!
And Nazis would not have allowed any of this...

We have to go by our instincts most of the time to keep this place in order somehow and so far I think it is working pretty well. Communicate and be welcoming? Definite yes! But we can´t let every ban candiate plea their case at length all the time or we´d have to hire a full time secretary.


P.S. Amazed you guys proved Godwin's law correct after only 10 comments.

Thanks for the reasoning, maatc. I still disagree, but I get your points.

Also, I never mention Nazism or make comparisions to it. This is one of the first and rare times that this sounded and felt a little fascist to me. It's cool.

I've never understood the ban on "self-promotion". What exactly is this ban protecting the community from? Spammers?

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag.(show it anyway)

I've talked about this before- but for me, the ban on self-linking is the most important rule of the site.

I can't claim it's an original invention. We stole the philosophy from Metafilter.

What we're attempting to do is remove self-interest from the submissions here. That means that in most cases- if a a video is submitted, it's not because the submitter is looking for publicity or trying to get noticed. It's submitted because the Sifter honestly thinks it's great- and wants to share.

On a day-to-day basis, you might think BFD, that's not really going to change anything.

I'd like to submit VideoBomb as exhibit A. There's a site structured very similarly to VideoSift. They actually launched about 2 weeks before us (I was pissed) and got a great deal of publicity and media attention.

The biggest difference between VideoSift and VideoBomb is that there is no restriction on self-links over there. Go on over and spend 15 minutes on the site.

I'm not comparing us to be mean to a rival site - but I think the self-link rule is one of the big reasons why we attract the the real video experts, librarians, film nuts and other passionate people. (Thanks MeFi).

ham radio operators, qm

This is the first thing that has happened on the Sift that has put the community here in a bad light.

Banning someone on their first post for breach of the 'Rules' is shameful.

Videosift is now on the path to wikipedia-esque elitism.

Sorry, I didn't pay attention after he got banned. I will tell more about why I noticed about Microspect. There is another guy who annoyed me recently who was posting Ron Paul videos, one with a comment that said be sure to give money, and another that he promoted on other folks threads. Now, I like Ron Paul. I don't like the idea of videosift turning into dueling promotions. One of the things I value the most about this place is intelligent disagreement without things being pushed on folks or there being an official stance. But then, I object to my employer puting a "United Way" form in my box and badgering me if I don't return it, and I hate telemarketers, and I hate spam. Let me say this again: I hate telemarketers and spam even if they want to sell me what I want to buy.

Anyway, I'm getting off track. This other guy, he was posting microspect videos, and I actually wondered if he was microspect, but the web has a lot of ron paul fans, and it was just wondering. But I remembered the name.

Then, the other guy (name not important) posted that he thought that videosift was unfriendly, and maybe he should just leave. When I saw the new Ron Paul revolution post from a probationary member, I thought it was the original guy, who had perhaps really been disgruntled, deleted his account, and then rejoined. The name seemed so familiar. So I checked, and it was the same Youtube source, but a new videosift poster.

Me, I like consistently applied rules. I've watched you guys ban tons of first-time posters. Why would you not ban this guy? If he gets the point, if he is merely zealous and not fanatical, he can come back, make a new account, and post some of the myriad ron paul videos that created by others. Or, he can just be sneaky, and make a new account with a new name, and no one will even know that he's self-linking. Not that I like that idea, but he sure can.

And I wish there were more ways to make it so the political videos were presented on their own merit, without requests for donation or exhortations to join a revolution.

If you don't like the rules, you'cn getout!

Fair banning, didn't read the obvious rules. If microspect wants to get back in, (s)he is welcome to read the rules, and send a "my bad" to an admin, imo.

Irishman: Whoops, I just killed that guy. Sorry, it was my first time! Didn't know any better. Rules are there for a reason, and they are not shameful. If you don't like the rules, get them changed, but until then. Obey!

*discard

Discarding this post - discard requested by member youdiejoe.