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"Do What Thou Wilt" an antithesis to Christianity.

Calling that satanism, is making it part of Christianity, since satan only exists in that.

>> ^gwiz665:

"Do What Thou Wilt" an antithesis to Christianity.
Calling that satanism, is making it part of Christianity, since satan only exists in that.


"do what thou whilt may it harm none" was a traditional pagan saying but you can find the same inferrence in almost every religion.
you are correct in the statement concerning satanism,by its very terminology it is..by definition..a christian subset meant to be..as you stated..antithesis.
crowley rose through the ranks of the golden dawn and felt constrained by them.he moved onto a weird amalgamation of enochian magicks and heavily influenced by the rituals of calling and divination found in the book of solomon.

i have read a few books on crowley and either he was brilliant or batshit insane..maybe a combination of both which is most likely.
but for you atheists out there who abhorr religious hypocrisy...crowley is your hero.
he gave the church fits..literally.

My point was that "Do what thou wilt" is the antithesis to the Christian ideology of loving your neighbor and so on. Also seen in most other religions, which all demand "faith" and submission of some sort.

The Lord is usually just that, a lord and master, gazing on his willing minions.

"Do what thou wilt" is a rebellion against that, throwing down the master and embracing the individual as their own master. I like that aspect of it. As an extreme it can obviously not work, anarchy is a fools dream, but more freedom is nearly always the better solution.

Ultimately Crowley was as hypocritical as the religions he disliked though, creating his own based on Magick and weirdness. As usual the small cults are based on hedonism and sex, and while everyone likes that, it doesn't make for intellectual honesty. Magick isn't real.

That said, I haven't read his works to any extent, only paraphrases, so I can't be too critical. I'd like to read it, like I would like to read some Ayn Rand at some point too. Lots of controversial stuff that can be interesting.

That's funny, I never knew the Supernatural character was based on an actual person.

try don milo duqette qwiz.
his books on crowley,the golden dawn,enochian magick and the knights templar are fantastic reads (if your a geek like me).he also happens to be a nice guy (met him a few years back..ooo i'm such a lil name dropper).

lets remember that there are 4500 religions on the planet and the ones you are referring to are the abrahamic.
it is easier when you break them down into "eastern" and "western" theologies.western being predominantly the judau/christian/islam.

now as for the "do as thou whilt".that can easily be transcribed as "do unto others",different idioms with similar intentions and can be found in all religions in one form or another.it is the church that focuses on the subservience while the actual teachings of say jesus or mohamhed tend to be much more open in their interpretations.

Do what thou wilt has little, read nothing, to do with the naive and simplistic interpretation most often applied resulting in the wastrel excesses all too often attributed to it.

One must first have Will, not will, but Will.

Oh and that bugaboo, Knowledge. Don't forget the Gnostic influence.

The Beast indeed.

Old G. I. was mentioned. Cool.

Oh, and he was brilliant. Insane, a legal term. Crazy, interesting.

Magick not real? On the first page of the book entitled so he defines a magician as one who seeks personal power. I could tell you things.

He created no religion. The practices he employed and taught were older than you can imagine. The Christian Church itself stole Gnostic Masses. He studied and mastered disciplines from the most ancient extant sources. His disdain for the Golden Dawn, the Church, or anyone else was based on his dislike for inefficiency, inefficacy, and ignorance. He refined practices that in the Golden Dawn, for instance, would take five minutes, but his would take a few seconds utilizing his abreviation and would Work.

Try reading a few books, won't do much good. He and Gurdjieff wrote in a very ancient and prescribed manner. G. I. would have his students and fellows read his manuscripts. If they could read and comprehend, he would rewrite. Read Crowley voluminously and repititiously and at a point of critical mass it will all come together and make sense.

Pick up a Buddhist Tantric Sutra. You may understand every word in it but you will not comprehend one sentence without initiation.

Please, I apologize if this seems diatribic, it is not meant so I assure you.

Sex and drugs, whole other long...already ran my mouth too much.

The waiters of the best eating-houses mock the whole world; they estimate every client at his proper value.
This I know certainly, because they always treat me with profound respect. Thus they have flattered me into praising them thus publicly.
Yet it is true; and they have this insight because they serve, and because they can have no personal interest in the affairs of those whom they serve.
An absolute monarch would be absolutely wise and good.
But no man is strong enough to have no interest. Therefore the best king would be Pure Chance.
It is Pure Chance that rules the Universe; therefore, and only therefore, life is good.

>> ^berticus:

The waiters of the best eating-houses mock the whole world; they estimate every client at his proper value.
This I know certainly, because they always treat me with profound respect. Thus they have flattered me into praising them thus publicly.
Yet it is true; and they have this insight because they serve, and because they can have no personal interest in the affairs of those whom they serve.
An absolute monarch would be absolutely wise and good.
But no man is strong enough to have no interest. Therefore the best king would be Pure Chance.
It is Pure Chance that rules the Universe; therefore, and only therefore, life is good.


Would that I could evoke *Quality.

That is the Breaks.

Beautiful Berticus, well done.

Invocations (quality) cannot be called by chicchorea because chicchorea is not privileged - sorry.

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Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be the Whole of the Law
Love is the Law, Love Under Will

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Heh, this showed up on the Sift just the next day after I started giving serious consideration to joining the O.T.O.

As it happens, it's the only serious initiatory order with a presence within three hundred miles, so far as I can find. And, having bought a copy of Crowley's Thoth Tarot years ago, I've finally begun seriously studying it. Beautiful artwork, profound symbolism.>> ^gwiz665:

Ultimately Crowley was as hypocritical as the religions he disliked though, creating his own based on Magick and weirdness. As usual the small cults are based on hedonism and sex, and while everyone likes that, it doesn't make for intellectual honesty. Magick isn't real.


Crowley repeatedly cautioned against ascribing objective reality to the phenomena experienced in the practice of magic. Which is why he phrased the first goal of magic in such a ridiculous fashion as "the Knowledge and Conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel." It is absurd, precisely in order to remind seekers that ascribing objective reality to such theories is always absurd. He did all sorts of things like this. He asked followers, for instance, to align their rituals so that "East" in the books always faced his home--indirectly indicating that it was entirely arbitrary what direction one faces.

People who assiduously practice magick really do have visions; experience communication with demons, angels, and gods; experience mystic transport; and realize the integration of the self. The reality of the experience trumps, for Crowley, any "objective" claims.

>> ^enoch:

"do what thou whilt may it harm none" was a traditional pagan saying

Eh, not really. Most pagans prior to the rise of Christianity would have shuddered at the statement, aside from a handful of obscure philosophers. Certainly not Plato, Pythagoras, or any of the other pagan writers so often accorded great spiritual insight.

Though such formulations do begin to make an appearance whenever Paganism arises in post-Christian contexts.