From a spectator standpoint Pride fights are more intense to watch. Due to the lack of ruling against head kicks while the opponent is on the ground, the grappling stalemates common in the UFC are fewer.

Here's Joe Rogan's opinion on the matter. It's not too absolute, but he points out benefits of both: http://blog.joerogan.net/archives/1772

@LarsaruS
So you don't like the ufc.. because you can't paralyze people? ..?!?!?

It's supposed to be sport fighting. Not televised manslaughter.
There are rules in place to protect people's lives and careers.

Perfect example. Mark Coleman Vs. Allan Goes at min 1:55
Throwing knees to Goes' head while he's already in a choke on the ground.

Goes' brain is starved of oxygen while it's being bounced around his skull.
His neck is cranked and being compressed even more with each blow.

Goes was knocked out thankfully. If not:

1- His skull would've been busted open
2- His neck would've been snapped
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Second.

Saying that disallowing knees or stomps to a downed opponent benefits fighters "dumb enough" to "lie down in a fight"..

Is like saying disallowing eye gouges or arm breaks benefit fighters "dumb enough" to "leave their eyes or ligaments unguarded in a fight"

Please realize how crude your statement sounds. You may wanna cut back on the horror movies a bit. =/ =]

UFC has put a stop to things like cheap shotting the guy after referee stoppage. Or say ignoring the referee. UFC is better from a sporting standpoint, so it will not only last longer but have fighters willing to stick around in it. This video was mostly showcasing professionally sanctioned thuggery.

Wow old man, spoken like a true middle-aged fanboy. = P

Of course mma standup isn't at the level of boxing. Boxing is all standup.
Mixed martial arts is every other martial art style you can think of.

If you can't see that then you're not as smart as you'd like yourself to believe, with your crabby panties-in-a-bunch attitude. =]

A boxing round is 3 mins of standup hugging.
36 mins of dancing in boxing boots like an Acme cartoon.

MMA rounds are 5 mins of defending takedowns, submissions, head kicks, leg kicks, judo throws .. and strikes.
A MMA title fight is 5 rounds. That's 25 mins of working every muscle in your body.

If you aren't able to understand that about MMA you don't even know what you're talking about. [Which is already quite apparent]

I don't think you can appreciate all the disciplines of Mixed Martial Arts because you're sitting here complaining about heavyweights and how they aren't amazing conventional boxers.

P.S. - Fedor Emelianenko lost finally. Not due to great standup but by double submission: Armbar Triangle Choke.

My point is: of course MMA standup is sloppy. You have four or five other modes of attack you have to calculate and defend against.



>> ^highdileeho:

The standup talent isn't anywhere near the level of boxing. Is all i'm going to say and if you can't see that then your not as smart as you would like people to believe, with your pompus arrogant attitude.

the reason they were throwing haymakers was because they had to fight A 10 round match, (something mma athletes are not physiclly capable of)they were completly exhausted

...if you weren't able to understand that about fighting/boxing then i really don't know why i'm wasting my time, because you don't even know what your talking about.

mma is a good sport. I can appreciate all of the disciplines, my favorite fighter is emilionenko-- i'm not spell checking that name--, and my favorite style is sambo, it's far and away the best fighting discipline.

My point is mma needs to step up it's standup game it's sloppy.

Generally speaking, the HWs are the least interesting to me, as well. They're the least technical overall. Of course I generally feel the same way about HWs in boxing; lots of hugging and not so much fighting.

The 'good' boxers in MMA are not as good as pure boxers, but I do enjoy watching them do their thing. I wouldn't consider Carwin a 'good' boxer even by MMA standards; he's just a monster.

The best part about this fight was seeing King Hippo Brock Lesnar humbled, even if he did get the W in the end.

>> ^highdileeho:

As a boxing fan, I can't enjoy heavyweight mma fights. It lacks the presicion and discipline that I'm used to. I'll watch a good boxing match over a the best mma fights any day. That's not to say i'm an mma hater, I just think that boxing has it's own place, and it's a shame that the younger generation has seemed to have forgoten how awesome a sport boxing is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upFv441V5qk&feature=related

>> ^GenjiKilpatrick:
>> ^highdileeho:
As a boxing fan, I can't enjoy heavyweight mma fights. It lacks the presicion and discipline that I'm used to. I'll watch a good boxing match over a the best mma fights any day. That's not to say i'm an mma hater, I just think that boxing has it's own place, and it's a shame that the younger generation has seemed to have forgoten how awesome a sport boxing is:

Great, this argument again.
Explain how being FORCED to stand directly in front of someone as you wing haymakers at each other takes anymore precision or discipline than what you see in mma.
Boxing is to MMA as Firing pin is to Gun.
It's less dynamic, the action is less aesthetically appealing, and it's just as brutal as mma.
No one forgot how awesome boxing was. We all just remember how boring it is.
Brock Lesnar is an awful fighter. That's why you can't stand to watch this fight.
Watch Anderson Silva. Urijah Faber.
If you still think boxing has something on mma you're no doubt a die hard fanboy.
Which is fine.
Just remember to tell your friends at the geriatric ward to refrain from using such a poor argument.
=P


Look I still enjoy boxing as well as mma, but the argument that it's boring is pretty weak. How quickly you forgot about the last ufc in the spring, and this fight only looks marginaly more appealing. I remember hearing all the ufc fans bitching about wasting their money on those matches in the spring because it was a bunch of boring fights. The standup talent isn't anywhere near the level of boxing. Is all i'm going to say and if you can't see that then your not as smart as you would like people to believe, with your pompus arrogant attitude. And the reason they were throwing haymakers was because they had to fight A 10 round match, (something mma athletes are not physiclly capable of)they were completly exhausted but the match was too close for either fighter to sit back and wait for a desicion...if you weren't able to understand that about fighting/boxing then i really don't know why i'm wasting my time, because you don't even know what your talking about. mma is a good sport. I can appreciate all of the disciplines, my favorite fighter is emilionenko-- i'm not spell checking that name--, and my favorite style is sambo, it's far and away the best fighting discipline. My point is mma needs to step up it's standup game it's sloppy. the announcers were getting all excited about grazing uppercuts and slow sloppy jabs, and if kids start thinking that those punches are something to get excited about then were are going to see much more crappy, boring, amateur hour, fights. and lose all of our muhhamad ali's, tysons, aruro gattis, roberto durans, and all the rest of the truly great stand up artists. they will be replaced by 500 lb slabs of meat who can barely lift their arms to throw a punch, ask them to throw 200 punches and theyre fat, meaty heads will explode at the notion that it is possible.

Great this argument again. As a boxer you aren't forced to stand in front of your opponent, you endeavor to flank your opponent. The same way you would endeavor to flank your opponent in MMA.

There is a difference from Prize Fighting and Amateur Boxing. One is point based (like fencing) and one is more for show. Hay-makers in Amateur boxing score the same as jab punches; points are scored based on skill. Knockdowns are key in Prizefighting, and there's money involved.

Prize fighting usually is not a show of skill, more a show of balls out slugging. I'd rather watch two guys go at it with swords and nets. Instead of watching some guys roll around on the floor, or just hammer away at each other.

Every now and then there is someone who makes boxing interesting to watch. Most of them are counter punching defensive fighters. People who can bob, weave, slip, and catch; then counter.

Remember, they're fucking sports. So who gives a shit as long as you enjoy watching two flop-dicks pounding each other.

>> ^GenjiKilpatrick:

>> ^highdileeho:
As a boxing fan, I can't enjoy heavyweight mma fights. It lacks the presicion and discipline that I'm used to. I'll watch a good boxing match over a the best mma fights any day. That's not to say i'm an mma hater, I just think that boxing has it's own place, and it's a shame that the younger generation has seemed to have forgoten how awesome a sport boxing is:

Great, this argument again.
Explain how being FORCED to stand directly in front of someone as you wing haymakers at each other takes anymore precision or discipline than what you see in mma.
Boxing is to MMA as Firing pin is to Gun.
It's less dynamic, the action is less aesthetically appealing, and it's just as brutal as mma.
No one forgot how awesome boxing was. We all just remember how boring it is.
Brock Lesnar is an awful fighter. That's why you can't stand to watch this fight.
Watch Anderson Silva. Urijah Faber.
If you still think boxing has something on mma you're no doubt a die hard fanboy.
Which is fine.
Just remember to tell your friends at the geriatric ward to refrain from using such a poor argument.
=P

Nice points. People should know the fight game.

In reply to this comment by GenjiKilpatrick:
>> ^highdileeho:

As a boxing fan, I can't enjoy heavyweight mma fights. It lacks the presicion and discipline that I'm used to. I'll watch a good boxing match over a the best mma fights any day. That's not to say i'm an mma hater, I just think that boxing has it's own place, and it's a shame that the younger generation has seemed to have forgoten how awesome a sport boxing is:


Great, this argument again.

Explain how being FORCED to stand directly in front of someone as you wing haymakers at each other takes anymore precision or discipline than what you see in mma.

Boxing is to MMA as Firing pin is to Gun.
It's less dynamic, the acion is less aesthetically appealing, and it's just as brutal as mma.

No one forgot how awesome boxing was. We all just remember how boring it is.

Brock Lesnar is an awful fighter. That's why you can't stand to watch this fight.

Watch Anderson Silva. Urijah Faber.
If you still think boxing has something on mma you're no doubt a die hard fanboy.

Which is fine.
Just remember to tell your friends at the geriatric ward to refrain from using such a poor argument.

=P

The UFC has finally turned into pro-wrestling. Thank god. I was worried this shit was real!

Dunno, black dude in light blue shirt looks like he thought shit was going down and was trying to keep black girl in the pink from getting involved. So, one person there thought it was a good idea to let the cop make his arrest instead of interfering.

And when she got hit black dude in light blue shirt was still trying to pull her away more forcefully.

Girl being arrest throughout most the video, from what can be seen was pretty being pretty irrational, just repeating the same things over and over and fighting back...and not calmly at any point. So unless that cop was trying something really serious prior to the video starting up....I think he was in the right since she seemed to emotionally distressed to deal with the situation calmly. Otherwise, crying or acting out would be an automatic get out of a ticket. Just as if a police officer pulled someone over for some traffic violation and the guy behind the wheel was screaming and raging about him stopping him (like a drastic over reaction that doesn't subside as seen in video)...he should detain him as well for his own safety and the safety of others because he isn't safe to be on the roads.

Crowd gathering....she wasn't in mortal danger, so them filming is probably the best bet to have the truth of the situation brought out. But I have to say the video reminds me of the court shows you see on TV when they get upset and keep repeating the same stuff over and over louder and louder so you can't hear what the other side is saying. Even the guy shooting the video was doing it when the cop punch the girl in pink who was getting physically involved in it.

And girl in pink backed down pretty quick when he socked her in the face, so I don't think she was expecting to have a man try to hurt her back. I think he was just trying to arrest the girl without seriously hurting her, because there are some arm locks you can get a person in where it'll break or dislocate the arm if they keep struggling. And they are bad enough to make the UFC guys who take punches and kicks to the head to tap out instead of dealing with recovery from the damage the hold can do.

>> ^NordlichReiter:

You show me a MMA fighter that can do this:


You don't watch much MMA do you? Watch Anderson Silva vs Rich Franklin 2 or Anderson Silva vs Forrest Griffin.

Also, MMA would be much much more effective in a street fight than boxing, because it encompasses a much larger subset of what can happen in a street fight. Brazilian Jiujitsu, not sport Brazilian Jiujitsu (there's a big difference) was designed for self defense.

Here, I found some clips for you:





And at 3:50,

I watch UFC. Sadly I haven't gotten into the other leagues. Most of the non-entertaining fights I find stem from the rules being done up by boxing commissions. If they mixed a few things from Pride into UFC it would be fantastic.

- Make the first round longer.
- Make non-aggression be a heavy penalty.
- Allow draws, or deal with draws in a logical way.

You want to see the best comeback ever?
http://mixedmartialartvideos.com/todd-duffee-vs-mike-russow-video-ufc-114/

Wait...if I start eating poisonous bugs, in time I can be poisonous? Hmm, how best to use this power? UFC maybe?

Wtf, that article lists a UFC event as "no-holds-barred".

Back on topic... they were complaining about misrepresentations?