>> ^Asmo:

>> ^CaptainObvious:
Fuck no.
Noam Chomsky is a genius and I agree with him almost always - but on this - no way - no.
ANY country with nuclear weaponry is a threat to everyone - let alone a country like Iran. Look what a pain in the ass we have with North Korea and Pakistan.
I remember the cold war and the persistent fear of mutual destruction and the perverse rationality behind it.
I don't want ANY country (including my own) to have nukes, least of all non-democratic countries.
Allowing them and any other non-nuclear country to have nukes is the wrong direction.
We need countries to start giving up nuclear weapons, not proliferating and spreading the disease even more.
The United States might be denying Iran nukes for the wrong reasons (OIL) and perhaps Israel for the right reasons, but frankly I don't care either way.
One less country with nukes is never a bad thing.
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"Mr. President, it is not only possible, it is essential. That is the whole idea of this machine, you know. Deterrence is the art of producing in the mind of the enemy... the FEAR to attack. And so, because of the automated and irrevocable decision-making process which rules out human meddling, the Doomsday machine is terrifying and simple to understand... and completely credible and convincing". - Dr Strangelove - yeah. makes sense huh.

What if all they want enrichment for is nuclear power..? \= |
Or, ya know, the right of self determination?


"The state of human rights in the Islamic Republic of Iran has been criticized both by Iranians and international human right activists...

The government of Iran is criticized both for restrictions and punishments... such as the torture, rape, and killing of political prisoners, and the beatings and killings of dissidents and other civilians....

...execution of offenders under 18 years of age, restrictions on freedom of speech and the press (including the imprisonment of journalists), and restrictions on [[freedom of religion[[ and gender equality in the Islamic Republic's Constitution (especially attacks on members of the Bahá'í religion)...

...execution of thousands of political prisoners in 1988, and the widespread use of torture to extract repudiations by prisoners of their cause and comrades on video for propaganda purposes....

Under the administration of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Iran’s human rights record "has deteriorated markedly," ... --

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_Islamic_Republic_of_Iran

Not all countries are built the same.

"right of self determination" - well, where do you draw the line? Can dictators pull this card out as well?

>> ^CaptainObvious:

Fuck no.
Noam Chomsky is a genius and I agree with him almost always - but on this - no way - no.
ANY country with nuclear weaponry is a threat to everyone - let alone a country like Iran. Look what a pain in the ass we have with North Korea and Pakistan.
I remember the cold war and the persistent fear of mutual destruction and the perverse rationality behind it.
I don't want ANY country (including my own) to have nukes, least of all non-democratic countries.
Allowing them and any other non-nuclear country to have nukes is the wrong direction.
We need countries to start giving up nuclear weapons, not proliferating and spreading the disease even more.
The United States might be denying Iran nukes for the wrong reasons (OIL) and perhaps Israel for the right reasons, but frankly I don't care either way.
One less country with nukes is never a bad thing.
---------
"Mr. President, it is not only possible, it is essential. That is the whole idea of this machine, you know. Deterrence is the art of producing in the mind of the enemy... the FEAR to attack. And so, because of the automated and irrevocable decision-making process which rules out human meddling, the Doomsday machine is terrifying and simple to understand... and completely credible and convincing". - Dr Strangelove - yeah. makes sense huh.


What if all they want enrichment for is nuclear power..? \= |

Or, ya know, the right of self determination?

Fuck no.

Noam Chomsky is a genius and I agree with him almost always - but on this - no way - no.

ANY country with nuclear weaponry is a threat to everyone - let alone a country like Iran. Look what a pain in the ass we have with North Korea and Pakistan.

I remember the cold war and the persistent fear of mutual destruction and the perverse rationality behind it.

I don't want ANY country (including my own) to have nukes, least of all non-democratic countries.

Allowing them and any other non-nuclear country to have nukes is the wrong direction.

We need countries to start giving up nuclear weapons, not proliferating and spreading the disease even more.

The United States might be denying Iran nukes for the wrong reasons (OIL) and perhaps Israel for the right reasons, but frankly I don't care either way.

One less country with nukes is never a bad thing.

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"Mr. President, it is not only possible, it is essential. That is the whole idea of this machine, you know. Deterrence is the art of producing in the mind of the enemy... the FEAR to attack. And so, because of the automated and irrevocable decision-making process which rules out human meddling, the Doomsday machine is terrifying and simple to understand... and completely credible and convincing". - Dr Strangelove - yeah. makes sense huh.

How do you call that: "Saved by the bell" For Romney?
To be fair, Obama was playing hugely on his experience there.

I am not a huge fan of Mr President, but in this whole debate Romney came across as a bit of a clown. He obviously knows a lot about business stuff, but his world-view really is pretty blurred by exactly that fact (as many have suspected).

ObamaCare,
Fast and Furious.
Solondra,
Gas prices have doubled
Food prices up around 30%
average 4k in lost incomes,
First President to preside over a cut to the credit rating of the United States,
First President to spend a trillion dollars on shovel-ready jobs and later admit there was no such thing as shovel-ready jobs.
First President to tell a major manufacturing company in which state they are allowed to locate a factory, (Boeing) ,
First President to coddle American enemies while alienating Americas allies.,

The Obama Presidency is a Failed Presidency.


>> ^volumptuous:

First of all, it was the kids father, who is a Iraq war veteran, who approached Obama. Not the other way around you nincampoop.
2nd, name one failure that makes Obama's presidency a "failed presidency".

>> ^bobknight33:
Using Children as a pawns for a cover of a failed presidency.

>> ^volumptuous:

Oh, right. I forgot that you talk to Obama all the time about how he personally feels about civilian casualties when it comes to war and drones. Do tell us more, since you're obviously so close to him.>> ^Yogi:
I'm with Bobknight. Obama couldn't give a fuck about the children his Drones murder. This is a load of shit, only Americans are people apparently.



You're right I don't know how he feels about it. I only know that he is continuing and will continue to carry out such illegal and inhumane acts of agression as long as he can. So I guess that gives you an indication of how much he cares.

Did you really think you were defending a war criminal by saying he quite possibly feels bad about it?

Oh, right. I forgot that you talk to Obama all the time about how he personally feels about civilian casualties when it comes to war and drones. Do tell us more, since you're obviously so close to him.>> ^Yogi:

I'm with Bobknight. Obama couldn't give a fuck about the children his Drones murder. This is a load of shit, only Americans are people apparently.

First of all, it was the kids father, who is a Iraq war veteran, who approached Obama. Not the other way around you nincampoop.

2nd, name one failure that makes Obama's presidency a "failed presidency".


>> ^bobknight33:

Using Children as a pawns for a cover of a failed presidency.

Great video. Sweet ride. Check out the doors on "Mr. President's car" 1:09.

Mr. President, if you sat down in certain peoples' living rooms, you'd be shot simply because you're black.

Evil begets evil, Mr. President. Shooting it will only make it stronger.

Seems like some conservatives think he's cool, not cold.

Looks more to me like they're making fun of the fact that other people THINK he's cool. It's a good ad though. I really do think a lot of people out there - particularly in the left-coast media - literally get twitterpated when they think about Obama. You can see it in how they talk to him and act around him. It's pathetic. The same guys who rightfully and eagerly went after Bush2 like Pit Bulls just bend over and sigh, "Am I clenching too hard for you, Mr. Preezy?" like Chris "Tingles" Matthews.

There's no shortage of stuff to hammer Obama about. The problem is that any time Mr. Preezy gets any sort of challenge of any kind to his rigid worldview you can just SEE him tighten up and become angry, bitter, and resentful. Then his standard modus operandi is to say, "The experts all agree with me..." (even though they don't) and stonewall with a bunch of jibber-jabber. Then when it is over good luck on that guy ever getting any sort of interview again. Obama's admin is notorious for dictating to the media what questions they're allowed to ask, how they ask them, and what to talk about. Obama isn't cool. He's a narcacisst and arrogant to a level rarely seen.

It would really amuse me if from now on every single person in the media, government, and everyone else stopped calling him "Mr. President" and just called him "The Preezy". To be honest, that's about what he deserves.

"Value of a 4 year degree"

To be blunt, there is very little an undergrad degree offers anyone nowadays except if they do a Science degree. I know a lot of liberals say, "Well - you get LIFE experience of being 'exposed' to new ideas and concepts and people..!" I'll just go ahead and say it. Bullcrap. Unless you're in engineering, computer science, math, pre-med, or some other technical degree there is nothing in college worth $50,000 in debt. The standard 4-year college 'experience' today is very little more than an adult play-pen where you fritter away a few years bridging between high school and adulthood. Increasingly, more people are ending up with nothing to show for it except a hammered liver and $50,000 in debt.

"uuuhh...then move forward."

What does all that what you just said mean Mr President? What a dick.

Thanks Mr. President; we need as many American engineering grad students as we can get.

God... dammit. Fuck off, Mr. President. I'm voting for myself in '12.