>> ^rougy:
To claim that the Taliban wants to restore "Islamic Imperialism" is a joke considering that their country is poor as dirt, a few decades ahead of the stone age, and they don't even have an air force let alone a regular army.

Their goal isn't a Taliban-controlled world, but an Islamic theocratic-controlled one, and to further that goal they don't need an army or air force. All they needed were a few pilots and some box cutters to inch us closer to that "holy war."

Mos Def has a good point to make, but he didn't put any research time into developing it and supporting it. He literally said "I don't have anything to prove (to the audience or other guests)" on a show about debating ideas. With that kind of showing, he's a disservice to his own message.

Because the 911 conspiracy stuff isn't ridiculous. Certainly no more ridiculous than the story about 19 arabs with box-cutters.

Ouch. That was a low blow.

>> ^Payback:
>> ^thinker247:
Is sarcasm lost on all of you?
>> ^thinker247:
I hope he was schooled in a religious madrasa, and I hope he is a crazy Muslim. If so, we know he can get something done. Hell, maybe he can solve the economy crisis with a box-cutter and an expired student visa.


You seem to have learned sarcasm at the same school Alanis Morrisette learned about irony.

>> ^thinker247:
Is sarcasm lost on all of you?
>> ^thinker247:
I hope he was schooled in a religious madrasa, and I hope he is a crazy Muslim. If so, we know he can get something done. Hell, maybe he can solve the economy crisis with a box-cutter and an expired student visa.



You seem to have learned sarcasm at the same school Alanis Morrisette learned about irony.

Is sarcasm lost on all of you?

>> ^thinker247:
I hope he was schooled in a religious madrasa, and I hope he is a crazy Muslim. If so, we know he can get something done. Hell, maybe he can solve the economy crisis with a box-cutter and an expired student visa.

I hope he was schooled in a religious madrasa, and I hope he is a crazy Muslim. If so, we know he can get something done. Hell, maybe he can solve the economy crisis with a box-cutter and an expired student visa.

Solmed,
I will admit that I am guilty of the same over generalization that I am chastising. By no means did I mean to say that everyone that is or was offended by her wearing the scarf is racist. For that I truly am sorry.

With that said I still maintain that what the "right-wing bloggers" asserted IS racist.
How is it any different than any other disgusting racist generalization put upon a group or race of people?

All Middle eastern or ANYONE for that matter who wears a keffiyeh or anything remotely similar to one are sponsors of terrorism or terrorists themselves????

If they are going to go that far as to assume that then when will it end? Does that also mean that anyone using box cutters are actually plane high jackers in training?

or who knows maybe it was dunkin donuts who started the whole anthrax scare with their "powdered sugar" donuts...

Nazis ruined the swastika so why wouldn't this garment take the hit after being draped on the heads of terror-rats?
quantummushroom


Well if thats the case then why don't we ban all adds for box cutters? They (the terrorists) pretty much ruined that household object now didn't they? Or how about sandals, I bet lots of terrorists wear sandals while killing American soldiers. I bet they also ride in cars, use blankets, drink from cups, brush their teeth, and eat food off of plates. Are all of those objects gonna "take the hit" as well?
By no means am I trying to make some argument for bringing back the swastika, that symbol IS ruined, but a scarf!?
This is absolute racist garbage. Why don't we just round up everyone thats wearing one and throw them in prison camps like we did the Japanese. We can even make them feel like they are back at home in the middle east by showing them the Dunkin Donuts ad all day long.

The leftist says 'Never'...."

My God, you love to lie, don't you?

>>> Well, "never" is a bit of exaggeration, but the last time the American left got mad enough to fight was over Hitler. Now they show support by waving the Mexican flag.

You understand that attacking a country which poses no threat to your own is a war crime, correct?

>>> You lefties like to proclaim you know the intentions of nations run by weirdos and tyrants, as if you were some kind of magickal seers. Before 9-11 no one would've thought 19 drugged-up virgin engineers with box cutters could take down two skyscrapers. There's damned good reasons no one trusts the left with national self-defense.

You understand that Nazi Germany was guilty of that in WWII, correct?

>>> And look what an awesome job the appeasement weasels did stopping Hitler with worthless pieces of paper!

You understand that your opinions regarding "national security" and "war with Iran" are equal to that of the Nazi Germans, correct?

>>> Mohammed (another leftist hero) believed in preemptive strikes against his enemies. So try to think of bombing Iran as 'celebrating multiculturalism'. We don't have to wipe them out, just scare the hell out of them. "Crazy Americans" is something even the hardiest tyrant understands from the safety of his spider hole.

Or are you going to tell us that Americans are firmly behind this war again, forgetting to add that the only people that you consider American are the people who agree with you?

>>> Public opinion so far favors survival and victory over defeat. I don't care what the appeasers favor, if we lose they won't get what they want anyway. Yeah, it's gotten that bad. One can't worship socialism and expect to gain anything in a free market system except through government extortion and manipulation of the courts. How many generations are going to tolerate these parasites and bandits remains to be seen.

In short, like Bush, are you going to cover your first lie with a second lie?

>>> Right. There's that Bolshevik thingy again...rewriting history and blaming the accuser of the very thing they're guilty of. You can have your lefty mythology if it makes you happy, starting when Bush "stole" the 2000 election and go from there.

Being on the left is matter of endurance and little else. How many times can you watch the same failed ideas fail again and act surprised?

Galloway is spineless weasel.

Is it bad that I've only been here since march and I already know that choggie will inevitably post to start a fight? hehe /love

and I'm sure I could select another extremely small and selective picture of the collapse site to support any conclusion I want to support. One image is not representative of a MASSIVE collapse of 2 100+ floor towers. Nothing so large has ever collapsed or been destroyed, so there is no control to compare this event to in order to draw conclusions out of simple pictures of that sort.

First off, no, I'm not affiliated with these people at Purdue. I am a scientist, but I don't know these folks. I just thought they did good work and wanted to share it with you folks.

Second, of course the obvious conclusions that can be drawn from this are that it is perfectly reasonable for the towers to collapse by their own weight when you look of the structure of those floors that were hit. And no, if you look at the 2 collapses, they did not occur in the "same way." Note one collapsed first diagonally at the impact site and the other collapsed evenly. And answer this for me, if they were done by explosives, how the hell did they know exactly where the planes would hit the buildings so that they were able to start the "demolition" at that exact spot on both buildings (one evenly as the plane hit and one diagonally as the plane hit off center). You can argue till you're blue in the face that it was an inside job, but this and a HUGE and growing number of unbiased, scientific studies are supporting the conclusion that it was... as they admitted... Al Qaeda. I don't know a SINGLE scientist or engineer or physicist who thinks these buildings were demolished and i know crap-load of scientists, etc. srsly

and I think I (even) could fly a jet in to a building that big, and I'm saying this as the brother of a jet pilot. He says it's basically a piece of cake, so there goes that argument. and I love how people always call them box-cutters. lol. They have freaking razor blades on them, they can cut you better than even your average "knife." I guarantee that murder with a "box cutter" is a very easy thing. Fear teh boxcutterz.

Anyway Choggie, I have a link and a video you must see. I don't pretend to think that I'll ever be able to convert a "9/11-was-an-inside-job" person, but if you haven't seen this video, ya ought'a just so you can say you did if people ask. Ya gotta see all the evidence in order to be able to argue either way right? ...and honestly the video is kinda funny. I loled a few times I'll admit.

http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-6243624912447824934

Maybe I'll submit this video if I ever get a first video through the queue in the fist place.

zomg long postage.

oh and hey, doc_m, posted june 1 on youtube, sure you are not on the team of folks who made this piece of expert analysis??? Aww, who cares, you been here since march anyhow, thanks for the post, hope it gets to the front, this and all discussion on 911, pro-con or con-con.....Al Qaida did it, with their masterful use of Jets, their expert piloting skills, and some box-cutters.....America will believe any goddamn thing, as long as they have enough diversion......welcome to Howard the Duck's world, surrounded by the brain dead.....

Savages with box-cutters? You still believe that story QM?

There was waaay more at play than a couple of guys with box-cutters - follow the money trail, man.

I respect Paul, but the isolationist libertarian POV is obsolete. Savages with box-cutters killed 3000 Americans with technologies their inferior civilization is too stupid to ever create. The world is now too small to ignore warring with savages. They're in the backyard; kill them like ants.

The fact of the matter is, if this WAS a conspiracy, it would have taken the combined effort of thousands of people to pull it off. The people that "planted the explosives" on all the floors...all without being seen. The planes, the people on the planes. The people that "shot the missile at the Pentagon". Thousands of people that were in the loop, that would have to be involved. And lets face it folks, the more people that are in on a conspiracy, then the chance that there would be hard HARD evidence and witnesses that would come out with evidence showing how it was done. All it takes is one whistle blower out there that was "in on it all" to bring it all down.

So what's more likely? 1. A government conspiracy consisting of many different departments and agencies building up a plan to pull something like this off without a shred of hard evidence linking it back to them....or 2. 20 yahoos with box-cutters high-jacking planes and flying them into buildings?

Let's apply some critical thinking here and stop with this bullshit.

the 'someone said it, so it must be true' theory is a friggin joke right? Are you suggesting that people who listen to what people say are saps? Someone said osama had cave dwellers with box cutters take over planes and then destroyed the two tallest buildings in new york...it must be true..abe was offed by booth, kennedy by oswald...people said that..it must be true. MAN walked on the moon, people said that!

get a new 'theory'.

Here's something to think about...lets say you want to cash in off your mates death by collecting insurance. You shoot them and blame it on someone else...easy right? Most likley police suspect the most obvious....you. Take the same idea only this time you shoot yourself at the same time (pentagon) and suddenly the 'other person' seems more possible, not 100%, but more possible.

My thoughts in no way mean any disrespect to the 3000+ people who died, i feel for all of them, i just want the truth, and not the 'truth' thats shoved down our throats.

that too much to ask? Isn't it my right to ask this?