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In reply to this comment by ajkido:
OK, maybe I should have given a longer description about what knowing history is, but I certainly didn't say it's ONLY dates and names. I'd still say it's hardly more than remembering a lot of stuff.

Even understanding that x caused y is usually specific for its time period and thus understanding one event doesn't lead to understanding all events with similar circumstances. And "understanding that x caused y" is basically the same as "remembering that x caused y" when it comes to knowing history.

Also I'm not American and I can't exactly relate to the public school system of the US, so I can't speak much about the exact details of the teaching, but I can however criticize enoch's arguments (which are still very hard to read...)

Edit: and btw, enoch, in my opinion it would help a lot if you gave an example of the way you think teachers SHOULD teach (history for example).

are you asking me to teach you?
and i was making a statement,not an argument,based on my personal experience.
you are still free to disagree my friend but there is a difference.

In reply to this comment by ajkido:
enoch, you can't teach history without a bunch of dates and names. If you want to talk about teaching problem solving, take a subject where there are actual problems to solve. Like mathematics or physics...

Knowing history is remembering who did what, when and where, and what was the impact on future events. Usually the point of history classes is to teach the bigger picture, but you can't exactly say "and then x and then y and then z..." without any timeframes etc.

And you yourself said that many of the teachers were poorly educated. I guess it's good to not let them teach their own bullshit but to follow the curriculum designed by smarter and better educated people. Also looking at your writing I suspect you're not very highly educated either.

way to make my point for me scooter!
thank you.
i think you misunderstood my entire post.
either that or i was not clear enough.
but thank you for that snide dig.
you are so cute when you are being pompous!
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