Congrats on your second published video. That's a nice vote count you received, not mention a good number of comments.

No worries, ercell. I'm glad you took the time to respond. Thank you for clarifying your reaction too. I agree that DFT's comment taken at face value could totally be misinterpreted. It was a intended to be a BLATANTLY ironic statement, and DFT is well known for his snarky irony on this site. I believe I worded it inaccurately when I said he reacted in anger too. I actually agree with you that his "statement" was not going to be funny, but he explained that everyone knows him around here and would 'get' it. I was just a bit incensed at what I thought was an overreaction from you. Now that you've explained where you were coming from, I'm sorry you felt offended, and I hope that we have resolved whatever misunderstandings that have erupted from this. I am open to discussion as well. Thanks Ercell.

In reply to this comment by ercell22:
First off, I do appreciate where you and all the other folks that have banned together in defense of this fine person whom I know nothing about are coming from. I can appreciate your views and points and expressions. I agree, whenever ANYONE is being racist or speaking in those tones its a MUST to respond to that racism and let it be known we are not going to stand and agree with whatever is being spewed out. However, to attack a man for being racist with a racist comment, joking or not, is a very ignorant approach and is very irresponsible. It interesting that I am being questioned for my ability to take a joke, or how me being a stand up comic should enable me to be able to laugh about anything. I am sorry. I am not overly sensitive and I do not have my panties in a bunch (no, YOU didn't make that comment) but there are some things that are not funny. You do not have images that are still shown to this day of your grandparents and parents having to drink from the "coloreds" only water fountain, or seeing them attacked by police dogs, or....being sprayed by water. Sorry, to joke about that is just not funny. The man on the video did deserve to get angry reactions, however, the same ugliness that you felt as being from Asian decent is the SAME ugliness I felt when I read that comment. Are are you implying or suggesting its okay to act in any manner of anger if its in the defense of a friend? You may need to rethink what you just sent cause ugliness is ugliness, no matter how or why its used. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, they are welcome anytime.

In reply to this comment by Issykitty:
I did NOT mean to upvote your comment, ercell, and you COMPLETELY misunderstood DFT's comment, FYI, which is sort of understandable, although your reaction was a bit too much personally attacking him. Seems a bit prejudiced to make that sort of a sweeping judgement of someone you don't really know. If only you knew how dead wrong you were, and what is the deal with bringing up KLAN comparisons? Ridiculous. Let me say this. That man up there on the podium was spewing ugliness and hatred about people of Asian descent, and I AM of asian descent, so I believe DFT was reacting in anger on my behalf because it was a bit personally upsetting to me. I hope that clarifies things for you.

Fair enough. It seems like I'm constantly pissing people off on this site. I guess I should chill out a bit.

So you're a comic? Are you in LA? Do you have any of your stuff online?

-dft

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In reply to this comment by ercell22:
Pax,

I didn't see your response until just now. I guess I was too busy getting shot down from your friends and supporters. lol. First off, obviously I do not think you are a Klan member, that was uncalled for and I do apologize for making that reference. I do now see the irony in that statement, however, as an "outsider" looking in (which is exactly what I am) it did offend me. I do not know you and how your humor works and since the post WAS serious and WAS very offensive, when I read your comment I was like, WTF??

I am not overly sensitive and I CAN take a joke... Duh.. Jokes and humor are what keep my rent and bills paid. (Not to mention the loads of groceries I purchase) I understand YOUR point and I respect and completely AGREE. I just didn't think it was the best way to express it. However, I am pretty sure he HAS experienced the racism he was spitting. This does NOT justify any of the hate that was coming out of his mouth, not one bit. But sadly, sometimes people tend to spit out the hurt they have experienced. Its NOT a justification, but its a sad fact. He was wrong. There was NOTHING right about what he said, period. I just felt your comment wasn't appropriate in that context.
Its my opinion.

Race relations are such a tough line to attempt to cross. Open dialogue is the source to at least having an open playing field where all of us can express and connect and learn to appreciate and understand each other. I guess I didn't feel that statement was the most welcoming way to start one. However, if my "crying and babying" as many are making my response to be, has potentially started one, good. I have no problem if people want to call me stupid and say I am "wank wank wanking." I do however, have a problem when I offend someone, and I am sorry for making my rant specifically directed to you in a negative way.

Enjoy your day.
Ercell.

In reply to this comment by dystopianfuturetoday:
Hey, sorry about my last comment. I was pissed and shot off an angry note to you and bambrew.

I'm sorry you missed my meaning. I figured that using an archaic form of oppression as an example would make it clear that my comment was not meant to be taken literally. When was the last time you've heard of anyone getting sprayed by a fire hose?


I absolutely agree that racism is a huge problem, and it's frustrating to see a member of one of the most oppressed minority groups pick on a similarly oppressed group. Where is the empathy? It's just disheartening. A racist sees this video and says to himself "See, they're racist too!" as if to justify his own prejudice.

I think the racism that is the biggest threat is the internalized racism, the type of racism we don't see in ourselves, that later generations will see more clearly.

Anyway, I happy to discuss this with you if you like. No harm intended.

PAX

In reply to this comment by ercell22:
I like the fact that in an attempt to shame this man for being "racist", Dystopianfuturetoday suggests he should be sprayed with a fire-hose. If thats not the most ignorant racist this to say, I'm not sure what is?
This is why racism STILL is alive right now in 2008. Folks like Dystopianfuturetoday amaze me. You can hide behind a screen name online and say what you feel because you are protected and safe. If thats not the weakest way to express yourself I don't know what it. How are you, myself or anyone for that matter going to began to help heal the issues of racism when there are comments like that reflecting how something thinks, being posted?? However, with a statement like that, I am sure Dystopianfuturetoday does not want racism to change. I guess you are new generation Klan... traded in your sheets for a wonderful avitar. Or maybe its just laundry day. Happy MLK Day!

wank wank wank... it was a funny comment, pointedly ironic, and you took special offense to it. Granted, a VS comment thread is not a comedy club, but people are always having to hear humor that is particularly offensive to them. You seem a bit insensitive to people with herpes, for example. Or maybe people with herpes should just accept that people joke about things that are painful, use irony, etc... so for the record, imho Dystopian's comment was justified and a good contribution, yours dragged it down into stupidity.

Was that your idea of a verbal smackdown? Wow, you really got your panties in a bunch. Yes it's a racist thing to say, but the guy in the video is clearly a hypocritical, racist piece of crap, while Dystopian was pretty obviously making a joke. Funny that an aspiring stand-up would miss a point so broadly made. People like you really undercut the dialogue with your hypersensitivity and need to point everyone out as some kind of secret Klan member, which is really just you playing out some heroic fantasy.

In reply to this comment by ercell22:
I like the fact that in an attempt to shame this man for being "racist", Dystopianfuturetoday suggests he should be sprayed with a fire-hose. If thats not the most ignorant racist this to say, I'm not sure what is?
This is why racism STILL is alive right now in 2008. Folks like Dystopianfuturetoday amaze me. You can hide behind a screen name online and say what you feel because you are protected and safe. If thats not the weakest way to express yourself I don't know what it. How are you, myself or anyone for that matter going to began to help heal the issues of racism when there are comments like that reflecting how something thinks, being posted?? However, with a statement like that, I am sure Dystopianfuturetoday does not want racism to change. I guess you are new generation Klan... traded in your sheets for a wonderful avitar. Or maybe its just laundry day. Happy MLK Day!

I did NOT mean to upvote your comment, ercell, and you COMPLETELY misunderstood DFT's comment, FYI, which is sort of understandable, although your reaction was a bit too much personally attacking him. Seems a bit prejudiced to make that sort of a sweeping judgement of someone you don't really know. If only you knew how dead wrong you were, and what is the deal with bringing up KLAN comparisons? Ridiculous. Let me say this. That man up there on the podium was spewing ugliness and hatred about people of Asian descent, and I AM of asian descent, so I believe DFT was reacting in anger on my behalf because it was a bit personally upsetting to me. I hope that clarifies things for you.

Hey, sorry about my last comment. I was pissed and shot off an angry note to you and bambrew.

I'm sorry you missed my meaning. I figured that using an archaic form of oppression as an example would make it clear that my comment was not meant to be taken literally. When was the last time you've heard of anyone getting sprayed by a fire hose?


I absolutely agree that racism is a huge problem, and it's frustrating to see a member of one of the most oppressed minority groups pick on a similarly oppressed group. Where is the empathy? It's just disheartening. A racist sees this video and says to himself "See, they're racist too!" as if to justify his own prejudice.

I think the racism that is the biggest threat is the internalized racism, the type of racism we don't see in ourselves, that later generations will see more clearly.

Anyway, I happy to discuss this with you if you like. No harm intended.

PAX

In reply to this comment by ercell22:
I like the fact that in an attempt to shame this man for being "racist", Dystopianfuturetoday suggests he should be sprayed with a fire-hose. If thats not the most ignorant racist this to say, I'm not sure what is?
This is why racism STILL is alive right now in 2008. Folks like Dystopianfuturetoday amaze me. You can hide behind a screen name online and say what you feel because you are protected and safe. If thats not the weakest way to express yourself I don't know what it. How are you, myself or anyone for that matter going to began to help heal the issues of racism when there are comments like that reflecting how something thinks, being posted?? However, with a statement like that, I am sure Dystopianfuturetoday does not want racism to change. I guess you are new generation Klan... traded in your sheets for a wonderful avitar. Or maybe its just laundry day. Happy MLK Day!

For ercel and anyone else who doesn't understand irony, let me translate my comment.

'Perhaps this gentleman would better understand the racism he spouts if he were to experience it himself'

In reply to this comment by ercell22:
I like the fact that in an attempt to shame this man for being "racist", Dystopianfuturetoday suggests he should be sprayed with a fire-hose. If thats not the most ignorant racist this to say, I'm not sure what is?
This is why racism STILL is alive right now in 2008. Folks like Dystopianfuturetoday amaze me. You can hide behind a screen name online and say what you feel because you are protected and safe. If thats not the weakest way to express yourself I don't know what it. How are you, myself or anyone for that matter going to began to help heal the issues of racism when there are comments like that reflecting how something thinks, being posted?? However, with a statement like that, I am sure Dystopianfuturetoday does not want racism to change. I guess you are new generation Klan... traded in your sheets for a wonderful avitar. Or maybe its just laundry day. Happy MLK Day!

Congratulations on losing your "P."

ercell - welcome to the sift! really dug your clip.

ping me when you're ready to toss something up here, ok? and have a great 2008.

The main thing is don't post any of them yourself. Let others folks post them. I'll have a look-see.

In reply to this comment by ercell22:
lol.. big hit? I doubt that. But glad you enjoyed it. I have a few more on my myspace page. (am I allowed to refer to it?) its myspace.com/ercell take care

No problem.

In reply to this comment by ercell22:
thanks man. I will be in touch. have a wonderful holiday. erce

thanks man. I will be in touch. have a wonderful holiday. erce

I found it in a Google search using "funny christmas." You're a big hit.

Just remember on here you are NOT ALLOWED to post videos you made or have you in it.

Welcome to the Sift.

In reply to this comment by ercell22:
hey man. thanks for posting my vid... I hope you enjoyed.. where did you find it? Ercell